Making the news today....

[breffni]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

[Mick Dempsey]

15 minutes ago, breffni said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain

That’s a beautifully executed, hatchet job. 

 

The more I read and see about BJ, the less I think of him.

[scotspine1]

Nice one Brexit Party, good move.....

 

 

 

[eggsarascal]

33 minutes ago, EdwardC said:

100% of eligible Conservative Party members get to select their new leader. What's wrong with that. It's their party, not the  general populations party.

 

Come the next general election,  100% of the electorate will have their say on which party manifesto best represents their aspirations, and they can vote for the person standing for election who represents that party. But expect the Tories to try and turn it into a presidential election to deflect from their bankrupt ideology.

 

Weak and wobbly, coalition of chaos, we need a change.

What's wrong with it?, I could've, and so could many others join the Conservative party and swayed the vote, for what, £25? That isn't democracy. It's a shit system we run with. We do need change.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

51 minutes ago, EdwardC said:

The Queen, head of state, was voted for by 0% of the UK electorate.

 

The PM is voted for by 0% of the UK electorate.

 

The upper house of parliament is voted for by 0% of the UK electorate.

 

What does that tell you about UK democracy.

Statistics and damned lies Ed:

 

The Queen, head of state, was voted for by 0% of the UK electorate. - True/accurate (but kinda irrelevant)

 

The PM is voted for by 0% of the UK electorate. - Not true/not accurate (the leader of the Conservative party becomes PM when a Conservative party is in government.  The person is voted into the leadership position by the membership of the Conservative party - who are, what for it, also part of the UK electorate)

 

The upper house of parliament is voted for by 0% of the UK electorate. - similarly, not entirely true/accurate.  Nominations and confirmations into the HoL are made by members of the UK electorate (just not very many of them)

 

What does that tell you about UK democracy. - that it can be misrepresented to support a personal opinion?

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

2 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

What's wrong with it?, I could've, and so could many others join the Conservative party and swayed the vote, for what, £25? That isn't democracy. It's a shit system we run with. We do need change.

It's exactly how Momentum got Corbyn as leader of Labour ??s!

[Ratman]

Heard recently abt a scientist making what is essentially a boiler that cooks tyres n extracts the oil and carbon, scrap wire . The oil is burnable, the carbon can be reprocessed. Could be answer to tyre dumping. K

We chip and burn tyres at work to part fuel the kilns, been doing it for about 5yrs now. You wont stop tyres being dumped as it will always involve a paper exercise or a charge to do it legit, and most are too lazy to cooperate.

[eggsarascal]

3 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

It's exactly how Momentum got Corbyn as leader of Labour ??s!

Yes, l know. Anyone that calls it democracy is a fool imo.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

18 minutes ago, EdwardC said:

Not true. It is protocol for the leader of the party that can command  the confidence of Parliament to be APPOINTED by the Queen. No voting by anyone is involved. You could make the same argument for the President of the EU being elected.

Correct - appointed AFTER selection by those that are members of UK electorate AND members of this/that party have VOTED to nominate the leader. 

18 minutes ago, EdwardC said:

 

Not true. Members of the House of Lords are APPOINTED by the Queen, or are born to it. No voting is undertaken by anyone. You could make the same argument for the EU Commission being elected.

Some  are hereditary, others are nominated by someone who is also a member of UK electorate

18 minutes ago, EdwardC said:

Appointed is not elected.

 

What does this tell us about UK democracy. When it's the UK appointments are perfectly aceptable, when it's the EU appointments are an outrage and an affront to democracy.

Because it’s likely the French are involved and that’s just wrong on so many levels....

[eggsarascal]

34 minutes ago, EdwardC said:

So if not a democratic Party system what system do you want; dictatorship, absolute monarchy, anarchism, plutocracy, theocracy...

 

You could always engage in the Party democratic system and be a part of it.

A fair democratic system would suit me just fine. Voting by a very small  percentage to elect a new leader may seem like democracy to you, but it doesn't suit me. You know, like the democracy that doesn't suit you about Brexit 

Edited June 24, 2019 by eggsarascal