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[Vespasian]

2 minutes ago, Ratman said:

Agree with some of that Vesp, but even when educated your still going to get the “thrill seekers” as someone called em earlier, or the mentally unstable that will try it.
Once taken, then that opens the door to the downward spiral, its the trigger for taking em in the first place thats the cause, ‘the villain’.
The answer? Dont think there is one. If if there were no drugs to take, people would so something else no doubt, self harm etc but thats another whole debate!!!

I'm not talking educated against uneducated but those with and those without mental fortitude..

 

Those with high mental fortitude might be able to cope with a life of drugs and no one but themselves would ever know it..  those with low mental fortitude will end up sat outside a supermarket begging for money..    

 

 

[MattyF]

I would not say it was thrill seeking but escapism for many, from mental or physical abuse or alcoholic parents , the thrill seeking ? It’s just feeling safe and escaping with friends maybe peer pressure for some ....
I have met a few weird fuckers who do it for the thrill but would not say that was why any of my mates got it to drugs /drinking and sniffing solvents when we was kids.

[westphalian]

Self medicate.... give me strength.  engage in substance abuse would be more honest..  

If you're asking me the root of the problem isn't drugs but mental deficiency of some sorts..  who in their right mind wants to take drugs knowing how dangerous they can be..   especially for the feeble minded of this world..   

 

Thats the thing that ought be taught in schools, if your of sound mind, you may get away with taking drugs and live a normal life eventually.. if your weak and of unstable mind you will end up going down that rabbit hole and you ain't likely to be getting out of it..

 

If children could be made to understand this, the weak minded might be wary of or tempted to go down that rabbit hole..   on the minus side those of sound mind might be tempted to take on the challenge of trying drugs... but at least they'd be better armed against the worse of its consequences..

 

 

 

We all self medicate.

I’ve just self medicated on a bottle of red and a few whiskeys.

smokers, eaters, whatever. I remember when AIDS came out and the Daily Mail readers of this world were saying self inflicted so fuck em. Diabetes, most cancer, heart attacks and strokes were apparently god given. There is no answer for the poor and down trodden. It’s the human condition

 

It’s also genetic. In my family there is a link to cannabis and schizophrenia. My kids were brought up knowing it had ruined several members of our families lives. Mind you alcohol an d tobacco have ruined more

[Mesterh]

28 minutes ago, Vespasian said:

Self medicate.... give me strength.  engage in substance abuse would be more honest..

 

If you're asking me the root of the problem isn't drugs but mental deficiency of some sorts..  who in their right mind wants to take drugs knowing how dangerous they can be..   especially for the feeble minded of this world..   

 

Thats the thing that ought be taught in schools, if your of sound mind, you may get away with taking drugs and live a normal life eventually.. if your weak and of unstable mind you will end up going down that rabbit hole and you ain't likely to be getting out of it..

 

If children could be made to understand this, the weak minded might be wary of or tempted to go down that rabbit hole..   on the minus side those of sound mind might be tempted to take on the challenge of trying drugs... but at least they'd be better armed against the worse of its consequences..

 

 

I guess you have never smoked or drank alcohol then otherwise how much of a hypocrite are you?

 

Sad and unfortunately more too common tales from Timon indeed. Great news for the tight arses who can use plenty of excuses not to give to charity, charity's are ran by billionaires and peadofiles and all street beggars are smack heads.

 

Again it makes me realise how extremely lucky I am.

 

Where the blame lies is difficult to say as it can stretch right back to the Afghanistan poppy farmer.

 

 

 

 

[Ratman]

I'm not talking educated against uneducated but those with and those without mental fortitude..
 
Those with high mental fortitude might be able to cope with a life of drugs and no one but themselves would ever know it..  those with low mental fortitude will end up sat outside a supermarket begging for money..    
 
 

How do you depict or who actually decides ‘who has’ and ‘who has not’ got suitable mental fortitude to cope?
This is my point Vesp, its far deeper than what you suggest, its an illness is the long and short of it and even so called professionals cant always read the signs and get it right every time. People can suffer the trigger from early childhood or it can come in the later stages of their life ?‍♂️ then leading on to cure or prevention. Cure to the individual is battling through it, prevention to the individual is to take drugs.
Even the might VESP hasn’t got an answer on this one i’m afraid. Your beaten.... accept it!

[Vespasian]

6 minutes ago, Ratman said:

How do you depict or who actually decides ‘who has’ and ‘who has not’ got suitable mental fortitude to cope?
This is my point Vesp, its far deeper than what you suggest, its an illness is the long and short of it and even so called professionals cant always read the signs and get it right every time. People can suffer the trigger from early childhood or it can come in the later stages of their life ?‍♂️ then leading on to cure or prevention. Cure to the individual is battling through it, prevention to the individual is to take drugs.
Even the might VESP hasn’t got an answer on this one i’m afraid. Your beaten.... accept it!

The only person who can tell if you have the mental strength to cope with drug use is oneself..

 

And I don't by the illness thing as well..   some people can spend all their lives on drugs, they cope easily enough..  are they ill?..  

 

Its not an illness its self abuse by those who shouldn't go anywhere near drugs of any sorts...

 

I've taken a couple of types of drugs, marijuana speed and LSD....   on only one occasion did I have a positive experience..   most times I ended up regretting the experience within hrs if not minutes..

 

Taught me that I wasn't on the spectrum of people who can use drugs..  cigs and drink excluded...

 

Friends have offered me drugs over the yrs but I have the mental fortitude to refuse their kind offerings..  I ain't on the spectrum and I know it.   thus I have the will to refuse to partake..

 

The weak minded, the easily influenced might on the other hand give in to their short term pleasures over their long term benefits..  I ain't one of them....

 

 

 

[Ratman]

Read you first paragraph and said fuck it to the rest!!!
You are a tit at times!
If you are of a mentally imbalanced state.... (the point everyone is trying to get across to you) then how can you decide if you are of good mental fortitude to straighten yourself out??!!! You cant, and so the drugs take over! ??‍♂️

[Vespasian]

4 minutes ago, Ratman said:

Read you first paragraph and said fuck it to the rest!!!
You are a tit at times!
If you are of a mentally imbalanced state.... (the point everyone is trying to get across to you) then how can you decide if you are of good mental fortitude to straighten yourself out??!!! You cant, and so the drugs take over! ??‍♂️

I thought the assumption was that drugs lead to mental illness..  isn't that the assumption?.

 

I was on the other hand was suggesting the opposite, that mental illness leads to drug abuse...   in a round about way..   

 

and if I'm not mistaken I was also suggesting that people who might be subject to those types of illnesses be forewarned in the classroom..  teach them that they are particularly vulnerable to the dangers of drug abuse and thus direct them away from drug use early in life...    

 

Teachers know who these types are..  its a well known fact teachers can spot those who they know will end up in prison in later life, its not a stretch to see they can see the mentally unstable..

 

Its not like its likely to stop substance abuse in general, but at least it might save some from themselves in later life..  

 

And its a better strategy  than doing nothing and waiting on events..  don't you think?...

 

[Mesterh]

33 minutes ago, Vespasian said:

The only person who can tell if you have the mental strength to cope with drug use is oneself..

 

And I don't by the illness thing as well..   some people can spend all their lives on drugs, they cope easily enough..  are they ill?..  

 

Its not an illness its self abuse by those who shouldn't go anywhere near drugs of any sorts...

 

I've taken a couple of types of drugs, marijuana speed and LSD....   on only one occasion did I have a positive experience..   most times I ended up regretting the experience within hrs if not minutes..

 

Taught me that I wasn't on the spectrum of people who can use drugs..  cigs and drink excluded...

 

Friends have offered me drugs over the yrs but I have the mental fortitude to refuse their kind offerings..  I ain't on the spectrum and I know it.   thus I have the will to refuse to partake..

 

The weak minded, the easily influenced might on the other hand give in to their short term pleasures over their long term benefits..  I ain't one of them....

 

 

 

Well then, are you a non smoker  teetotaler?

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

14 minutes ago, Vespasian said:

I thought the assumption was that drugs lead to mental illness..  isn't that the assumption?.

 

I was on the other hand was suggesting the opposite, that mental illness leads to drug abuse...   in a round about way..   

 

and if I'm not mistaken I was also suggesting that people who might be subject to those types of illnesses be forewarned in the classroom..  teach them that they are particularly vulnerable to the dangers of drug abuse and thus direct them away from drug use early in life...    

 

Teachers know who these types are..  its a well known fact teachers can spot those who they know will end up in prison in later life, its not a stretch to see they can see the mentally unstable..

 

Its not like its likely to stop substance abuse in general, but at least it might save some from themselves in later life..  

 

And its a better strategy  than doing nothing and waiting on events..  don't you think?...

 

There are some uncomfortable truths / logic in yr previous couple of comments Vesp. 

 

Never catch on given the current state of society where everyone seems determined to find someone / something other than their own shit choices for their own shit circumstances.