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[Welshfred]

1 hour ago, Johnsond said:

Was the recent mine in Cumbria that was denied planning consent due to “green shite” not solely for that purpose?

No

[Johnsond]

43 minutes ago, Welshfred said:

No

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The mine was to be used to dig up coking coal for steel production. It was expected to be able to

Edited April 15 by Johnsond

[Mesterh]

2 hours ago, Johnsond said:

100% Agree the current net zero path we are on is a dangerous ideology driven example of sheer lunacy. 
I watched an article on the news last night about the 2035 commercial vehicle electrification target, Nestle I think it was running a trial on Volvo tractor units.

Standard diesel unit £170000 GTW 44T with a range of 800 miles on one tank. 

Electric unit £300000 GTW 28T with a range of 130mile max “ with a large amount of variables thrown in”. 

 

I think that we do need to invest in EV's. They will be the future no matter what. There will be a turn in battery tech at some point, 5, 10, 50 years I dont know but all tech will move there eventually. 

 

 

[Johnsond]

1 minute ago, Mesterh said:

I think that we do need to invest in EV's. They will be the future no matter what. There will be a turn in battery tech at some point, 5, 10, 50 years I dont know but all tech will move there eventually. 

 

 

You may well be right but literally shackling ourselves to destructive deadlines when the technology doesn’t yet meet the rhetoric or ideology is not a wise decision, it will not make us world leaders in anything other than just like now with the cost of energy. 

[Stubby]

8 hours ago, Mesterh said:

I think that we do need to invest in EV's. They will be the future no matter what. There will be a turn in battery tech at some point, 5, 10, 50 years I dont know but all tech will move there eventually. 

 

 

I think you are probably right but , I don't think they are particularly " green " . The mining of the lithium then transporting it across the globe in stonking great ship is a massive carbon foot print . Then there is the pollution from the rubber they get through ( being heavier than the equivalent petrol/diesel car ) then the disposal of spent batteries all adds up . Hydrogen is the way to go I recon . The only thing that comes out of the exhaust is H2O . I am talking about liquid hydrogen direct into the tank not a hydrogen powered electric . I believe Toyota and some others have an engine that will run on hydrogen in a similar way to petrol .   

[openspaceman]

1 hour ago, Stubby said:

The mining of the lithium then transporting it across the globe in stonking great ship is a massive carbon foot print . Then there is the pollution from the rubber they get through ( being heavier than the equivalent petrol/diesel car ) then the disposal of spent batteries all adds up . Hydrogen is the way to go I recon . The only thing that comes out of the exhaust is H2O . I am talking about liquid hydrogen direct into the tank not a hydrogen powered electric . I believe Toyota and some others have an engine that will run on hydrogen in a similar way to petrol .   

No different from most cargo shipping and whilst they burn a particularly polluting fuel the carbon footprint per tonne of goods is better per journey than road transport.

 

Spent batteries and micro plastics from tyres  is not something I have followed. The grease I use in my tractors is lithium based, no idea how much, but I don't recycle that.

 

Nearly all hydrogen is made by reforming natural gas. The round trip efficiency of making it from renewable electricity would be  low, about 70% at point of production then only 25% of that is available as power at the wheels from a heat engine, there is nowhere near enough surplus renewable electricity for it to be viable. Even if there were a surplus it would be better making more easily transported and stored fuels. Whereas the EV gets 80% of the electricity  put in delivered to the wheels and is even more efficient as it can regenerate when decelerating and doesn't have to idle.

 

I still use my petrol and diesel engined cars because they have plenty of life left in them ( at 20 and 15 years old) and I don't do enough traveling to lash out tens of thousands on a new car.

[Treewolf]

2 hours ago, Stubby said:

... I believe Toyota and some others have an engine that will run on hydrogen in a similar way to petrol .   

JCB has been running hydrogen IC engines for some time now since batteries are not a credible alternative for earthmovers.

 

Completely agree with your post!

[WirralBoy]

Supreme Court to rule on definition of a woman

 

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The verdict comes after a long-running legal battle between the Scottish government and a women's group.

 

[BillQ]

14 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Standard diesel unit £170000 GTW 44T with a range of 800 miles on one tank. 

All academic really, you could never drive 800 miles in a day legally and its like the early days of change over from animals pulling carts to vehicles and all the technological problems that we had back then. Perhaps we need to try something different rather than say "We've done it this way for years and we shouldn't try to change. "?

[BillQ]

17 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Over 700 today and 9000 this year so far at £42000 per head. Smashing the gangs is obviously failing miserably. 
The desperate scramble to source coking coal is another example of the lunacy of this government’s policy 

Got to laugh really, do the advertisers specifically target GB News readers with alzheimers adverts?

 

You do also realise that it is just their "provisional" figures?