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[Steven P]

51 minutes ago, Stere said:

Alot more single occupancy houses now that there used to be and set to increase?

 

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ONS also says those already on own are less financially secure than couples without children

 

So even if pop isn't increasing  means  more homes needed?

 

 

However... don't need 5 bedrooms, 6 toilets and 5 car spaces next to a leafy riverside setting. Larger than average flat, 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, car parking round the back and a few communal visitors spots, that would do me

[sime42]

1 hour ago, Johnsond said:

What would sort the housing problem?? 

I was more concerned about the scrapping of environmental protections rather than the building of more homes. But anyway......

 

Housing problem solutions, in no particular order;-

Contraception

Less ensuite toilets

More brownfield development

Less cars

More barges

Less games rooms/home cinemas/garages

More terraced housing

Less retail parks

More flights to the other side of the world

Less lobbying and donations by housing developers

More bikes and cycling

Less building on floodplains

More honest politicians

Less car washing

More multigenerational house occupancy, (like those multiculturalists do)

Less showering

More flats for single occupancy

Less paved over front gardens

 

 

[scbk]

30 minutes ago, sime42 said:

Contraception

Less ensuite toilets

Less showering

More flats for single occupancy

Are these ones linked? Less likely to be having rumpy pumpy if you're smelly, live on your own, and have to walk further for a piss afterwards?

[trigger_andy]

8 hours ago, Steven P said:

However... don't need 5 bedrooms, 6 toilets and 5 car spaces next to a leafy riverside setting.

Why not? 

[trigger_andy]

8 hours ago, sime42 said:

I was more concerned about the scrapping of environmental protections rather than the building of more homes. But anyway......

 

Housing problem solutions, in no particular order;-

Contraception

Less ensuite toilets

More brownfield development

Less cars

More barges

Less games rooms/home cinemas/garages

More terraced housing

Less retail parks

More flights to the other side of the world

Less lobbying and donations by housing developers

More bikes and cycling

Less building on floodplains

More honest politicians

Less car washing

More multigenerational house occupancy, (like those multiculturalists do)

Less showering

More flats for single occupancy

Less paved over front gardens

 

 

Did you forget about mass migration? Weird how thats not on your exhaustive list.

 

And how does an ensuite toilet contribute? Its not like if there is not one installed that you need to go to the toilet any less frequently. Its not like as if another family member is using the only government sanctioned toilet in the house that the dump you badly needed suddenly vanishes. 

 

 

Why you're pushing for the UK population to live in some kind of dystopian almost Matrix style Rabbit Hutch's stacked in uniform little rows is anyone's guess. 

 

Are you guilty of any of the crimes you list above? Or is it just other people that should submit to less showering, only living in a terraced house, no ensuite in your house? 

 

If you're not guilty of any of the above it sounds more like sour grapes than anything. 

[Steven P]

2 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

Why not? 

 

Mentioned above that population trends are more single person households, and a population predicted to fall in the next 20 to 30 years. Young people are the ones who cannot find a suitably priced house to buy. The housing we need are not executive houses, 5 bedrooms and 6 bathrooms, but smaller 1 or 2 person flats that are affordable for young people to but, and cheaper to run than taking 90% of a 25 year olds salary. Don't need to be ripping up all the spare green space, but to replace, refurbish, upgrade the towns that we have - there is enough brownfield sites to do this.... however brownfield sites cost more to develop which the big political backers don't like, far cheaper to give an annual £11 million bung and rip up the countryside, join u pall the towns so we don't see any green on our commutes.

 

 

I think you missed sime42s point being more worried with semantics rather than understanding what he was actually saying - fewer en-suits, home cinemas, garages, all come down to smaller houses (more flats for single occupancy, and terraces)(which is what the housing need actually is), built where we have previously built and to allow more green stuff to grow. Semantics... but you are focussing on toilets rather than what he actually means. Flooding for example is increased the more we pave over, build on and mess with flood plains (next to rivers as in the article for example)

 

 

Edit...

If you think that the way to go is executive houses, would you be prepared to pay your young staff enough to afford a £1k+ monthly mortgage? -EDIT = just checked the new house prices around me, make that £2500 a month for the mortgage

Edited August 30, 2023 by Steven P

[Stere]

UK has smallest houses in EU already ?

 

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Think your house is small? Well, it's official, a new survey reveals that British families are living in some of the most...

 

 

Huge buisness now in self stoarge  units as so many can't store anything in esp in the tiny new build  houses

[trigger_andy]

3 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

Mentioned above that population trends are more single person households, and a population predicted to fall in the next 20 to 30 years. Young people are the ones who cannot find a suitably priced house to buy. The housing we need are not executive houses, 5 bedrooms and 6 bathrooms, but smaller 1 or 2 person flats that are affordable for young people to but, and cheaper to run than taking 90% of a 25 year olds salary. Don't need to be ripping up all the spare green space, but to replace, refurbish, upgrade the towns that we have - there is enough brownfield sites to do this.... however brownfield sites cost more to develop which the big political backers don't like, far cheaper to give an annual £11 million bung and rip up the countryside, join u pall the towns so we don't see any green on our commutes.

 

 

I think you missed sime42s point being more worried with semantics rather than understanding what he was actually saying - fewer en-suits, home cinemas, garages, all come down to smaller houses (more flats for single occupancy, and terraces)(which is what the housing need actually is), built where we have previously built and to allow more green stuff to grow. Semantics... but you are focussing on toilets rather than what he actually means. Flooding for example is increased the more we pave over, build on and mess with flood plains (next to rivers as in the article for example)

 

 

Edit...

If you think that the way to go is executive houses, would you be prepared to pay your young staff enough to afford a £1k+ monthly mortgage?

Stating that the population is supposedly going to decrease within the next 20-30 years does in no way explain the housing shortage we are experiencing today. 

 

Seventeen thousand illegal immigrants have crossed the channel in boats this year so far. That's just illegal's crossing by boat, its not including the other illegal's entering the UK nor those who are legal migrants. Of these 17,000 illegal's the vast majority are working/fighting age men. Once these men have been processed and no longer live in Hotels they will be homed. They will not be homed in a commune, they will be given a house or a flat. They will then be allowed, or even if they are not allowed they will bring their families or extended families with them. But even if they dont thats 17,000 less homes for the British population, this year alone. The year is not even over yet. Since records began in 2018 100,000 illegal's have crossed the channel in boats and very few have been deported. Again, this is not including genuine migrants entering the UK  by legal means who needed homed nor the illegal's entering the UK by other means. 

 

To not lay the blame at mass migration being the leading driver in lack of homes for the British public is simply burying your head in the sand and ignoring reality. 

 

But yeh, the real issue is when Wimpy builds houses with an en suite for the people who can actually afford to pay for that house who undoubtedly will be funding the housing for those who are flooding over our boarders. Semantics my arse!

[Steven P]

8 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

 Of these 17,000 illegal's the vast majority are working/fighting age men. Once these men have been processed and no longer live in Hotels they will be homed.

 

Exactly the point we are making, something like 90% of the 'illegal' migrants are granted refugee status - they have a valid and legal claim to be given refuge from the countries they came from - and when they are, these 17,000 single men do not want executive houses, they will need smaller properties more suited to a lower wage..... which is exactly the point I am making. What is being built is not what we need

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Steven P said:

 

Exactly the point we are making, something like 90% of the 'illegal' migrants are granted refugee status - they have a valid and legal claim to be given refuge from the countries they came from - and when they are, these 17,000 single men do not want executive houses, they will need smaller properties more suited to a lower wage..... which is exactly the point I am making. What is being built is not what we need

Whatever your views on their 'legal' status the fact remains that this supposed decline in in the population we'll not witness for decades is irrelevant to the housing shortage we're witnessing for British people. This years batch of 17,000 illegal's coming over by boat will now need homed. If they had a legal claim to live in the UK then they'd enter legally, but they dont. They are illegal's, simple as.  They will be given homes that British people desperately need. And who are you to say whats being built is not what we need? If they're being bought, bought being the pertinent word as opposed to just handed to as in the vast majority of the illigals entering our border then they are being bought by those who are paying the backbone of income tax in the UK. They are highly likely, not not always, leveling up meaning they are vacating a smaller, less expensive property allowing someone further down the ladder a chance to either get on the ladder or move up a notch.

 

And who do you think should pay to build these free houses for endless flood of illegal's? No one has any spare money to pay an increased tax to home them. 

 

But to convince yourself that the supposed housing crisis is not primarily driven by mass immigration is asinine in the extreme.