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[Haironyourchest]

11 minutes ago, matelot said:

99.99% of people here would agree with the statement "Africans are inferior than Europeans at providing food for their societies". Are they all racists?

 

Why are you so scared of the truth?

They were doing ok until contact with Europeans. Its not about race, its about culture - but culture and race go hand in hand, and in the case of Africa are very close. We're taking about a culture that was still in the stone age two hundred years ago. Literally, the stone age. Little or no metalworking technology. Two hundred years ago. We in the west, and the peoples of the east, have been building complex civilisations for at least ten thousand years. The sub saharan Africans never left the stone age, they just kept right on at that level. The injection of technology into their cultures was detrimental to them - totally banjaxed the delicate balance of reproduction and food supply that they had maintained for probably a quarter of a million years before. The oral tribal wisdom chain was broken. The balance of power between tribes was broken. Our ancestors did this, but they and we should not be blamed, it was inevitable. It's was inevitably happens when a stone age culture meets an advanced culture, the stone agers get fucked. If the Chinese had gotten to Africa first it would have been no different. 

     This is a culture that has no tradition of intellectual advancement. A culture that functioned in its environment, when homeostasis was operating, but one that cannot function now. Its too late. Individuals of any culture and race are capable of transforming themselves, and in that sense we all have the same potential and race is not a thing - we are not limited by our genes - but in reality our race and place of birth also ties us to a culture, and that culture is a powerful thing to overcome. Its like a gravitational force. The culture of Africa is, I repeat, still in the stone age. 

      I was reading about Bennelong, an Australien Aborigine who was captured and became westernised. This is a stone age man who hob-nobbed with aristos in England. It can be done, but on a planetary scale?...I don't know...

[WesD]

Anything with lots of money involved will have corruption somewhere along the way HOWEVER oxfam has still and will still continue to do a lot of good. It’s built numerous schools, villages, homes and supplied food and water to people who genuinely need it. They are one company not a government, it would take a collective effort from governments and companies alike to truly abolish famine and health problems we no longer have BUT that would mean giving in a world full of takers. 

 

I try to help people or donate or raise money for charities I feel are worth while whenever I can, not to make a difference to the world or to make me feel good (which to be fair it does) but to make a difference to the person I’m helping no matter how small. 

[matelot]

6 minutes ago, MattyF said:

Really 99.99 % ?? I think that’s more the number of people on here who disagree with you .
I guess drought , famine, exploitation from the arms industry recently and apartheid colonisation and more exploitation in the past had nothing to do with being able to have a stable environment for growing and providing food for the population continually exploited by richer nations.

Yeah, some good points there. It's well known that when the White Man left Rhodesia he stole all the rain clouds and that's why Rhodesia collpased under black rule. 

 

Yeah, you continue to lie to yourself if it makes you feel better.

[WesD]

On a lighter not I drove past a couple of homeless chaps close to home and thought no we can’t have that! Not around here! I went back and told them to jump in, dropped them off in bolton. 

[MattyF]

And continuing to ignore our legacy’s of the past and present in Africa......your lying to your self if you think it has nothing to do with the mess it’s created and been caused by it.

[matelot]

2 minutes ago, MattyF said:

And continuing to ignore our legacy’s of the past and present in Africa......your lying to your self if you think it has nothing to do with the mess it’s created and been caused by it.

What I find funny about this discussion is it's people like you that are coming out with the amazingly racist statements. You think Africans can't make a success of their countries because 200 years ago some africans sold other africans as slaves... Do you really think Africans are that inferior?

 

Anyone that gives money to Oxfam is basically saying that Africa is literally a charity case and they can't look after themselves. That's textbook racism. 

 

 

 

 

[MattyF]

I’m not saying that but it was hardly a stable start when other countries where growing ...I’m saying it’s being exploited now by the arms trade and for its natural resources with no concern for the population, creating civil war is an ideal smoke screen for illegal business which a lot of is conducted by the British.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

16 minutes ago, the village idiot said:

It's a mistake to think that the West can turn around the fortunes of a continent between 1984 and now.

 

These things take time, many generations.

 

The situations in many parts of the developing world are improving. International aid is a huge factor in this.

 

Is it all directed and used in the best possible way? Undoubtedly not, but this doesn't make aid a bad thing.

 

There are organisations springing up like the effective altruism movement. They use science and good research to inform us where best to give money to make the most possible real difference.

 

Have a Google of Will MacAskill if you are interested.

Almost lost my Sauvignon Blanc through nasal passages at the "Oh my God" exclam... Pythonesque comedy! 

 

The prospect of continuing to pump billions £s into systemically, inherently, culturally corrupt nations is the work of the certifiably insane.  

 

To suggest it may take decades to fix (and that patience might be the key) is to ignore the inevitable, inexorable slash & burn and resultant desertification which is compounding the situation quicker than any £s can keep up.

 

Without addressing the potential for the mass evacuation of areas that do not have the capacity to sustain human life (and the population growth which is accelerated by infant mortality rates and then further compounded by religious objection to birth control) is to bury ones head in the ever expanding sand...

 

 

 

    

[MattyF]

I’ve said nothing on oxfam ... Take off the VAT and call it charity ! It’s all a scam .., shit I said some thing... any way I’m done with this thread ...again.

[scotspine1]

9 minutes ago, matelot said:

Anyone that gives money to Oxfam is basically saying that Africa is literally a charity case and they can't look after themselves. That's textbook racism.

Dambisa Moyo the Zambian economist wrote a book about that subject a few years ago.