A MOG and A Run in with VOSA !!!!

[Johny Walker]

That’s just wrong, if you move goods on the road its haulage.

 

Moreover its pretty irrelevant what you register it as, (registration is simply what the man at the DVLA wrote on the paper) it is the use that matters

 

is it not ok to haul the chip from were it was chipped bk to yr yard ,but not to sell to a third party ??

[Rich2484]

is it not ok to haul the chip from were it was chipped bk to yr yard ,but not to sell to a third party ??

 

That's right. Moving the chip from site to site is ok. You are not selling it and making money from it or delivering it to a paying customer it's not haulage. Something about for profit or personal gain.....

 

I'm too tired to go trawling through the vosa maze that is there website to find the relevant documents.

[treequip]

Hi guys.

 

Im looking for some advice !!! we have been contacted by VOSA who tell me that they are interested in the running of my U1600AG UniMog , the kind Gent seems to think that we should be running our mog on an operators licence as the vehicle is used for haulage !!! i assured the gent that it was not used for haulage as the unimog is dedicated for chipping and that the vehicle is only used for chipping . this conversation went of for some time in which i was told that if i didnt accept what the gent was saying then simply he would catch me on the road and take me to court !!! Has anyone had any experience of such a situation with a unimog and would anyone care to give me some pointers please ?? this truly was the last thing i needed on monday morning after my partner gave birth to our firs child in the early hours of the morning , a day of joy and happiness was ruined by the "gent" from vosa .

 

Many Thanks

Dave

 

oh and before this possibly descends into a discussion about the colour of diesel we run the mog on white to ensure such questions can be cleared up quickly with customs !! that being said if the mog is off road working for weeks at a time it is then run on red and re filled with white before going back onto the public highway !

 

Thanks Again

 

Dave

 

If you were carrying goods on the road it would need to conform to all the regular road haulage regulation, the registration is subordinate to use, if it’s a tractor carrying nothing more than implement’s and tools associated with its use then it does not require an O licence.

 

Like you said, let em catch you, ………………and hope you are empty

 

What did you mean by

 

to ensure we dont upset mr VOSA any more

 

Have you had problems?

[wildewood]

We are going through the same at the moment. Anything on the road over 3.5 T gross train weight needs an O licence, albeit a restricted one. Ag registration is not really a grey area; you are limited to 1.5 kms per day on the highway. Makes no difference if you carry goods for hire and reward or own goods or no goods. VOSA website is clear and helpful, as are VOSA (usually) if you 'phone them. If your'e worried about your local VOSA phone a different area; they don't take your details.

O licence and 1 vehicle reg. is an initial cost of around £600.

[stoxs]

That's right. Moving the chip from site to site is ok. You are not selling it and making money from it or delivering it to a paying customer it's not haulage. Something about for profit or personal gain.....

 

I'm too tired to go trawling through the vosa maze that is there website to find the relevant documents.

 

go steady mentioning chip returning to your own yard as then they will have you for a waste licence too!!!

 

if its not a saleable commodity its waste!! in their eyes.

 

got to say i am out, dont want to give anyone the wrong impression! lol

 

to grey for me

[treequip]

is it not ok to haul the chip from were it was chipped bk to yr yard ,but not to sell to a third party ??

 

you cant haul it anywhere on an exemption but you can sell it from site and let the other party worry about that, sell it to stobarts, I am pretty sure they meet the regs

[swinny]

We are going through the same at the moment. Anything on the road over 3.5 T gross train weight needs an O licence, albeit a restricted one. Ag registration is not really a grey area; you are limited to 1.5 kms per day on the highway. Makes no difference if you carry goods for hire and reward or own goods or no goods. VOSA website is clear and helpful, as are VOSA (usually) if you 'phone them. If your'e worried about your local VOSA phone a different area; they don't take your details.

O licence and 1 vehicle reg. is an initial cost of around £600.

 

So you can only go 1.5kms from base... you get your figures right there... becaus i dont think you have

[jaime bray]

you are right the dye stays in the filter but they can tell what is in the tank at the time of stopping so as long as there is white in the tank and you are on the road especially over 25miles from base you should be fine. you have a legitimate reason to run red.

 

The problem you have is the chip box on it, hence the reason they think you are running as haulage i guess.

I know nothing about this sort of situation a very grey area.

 

I would be far to paranoid to top up a tank with white even if 5 liters of red was in it.

 

Rather you than me running a mog CTS, they are certainly dynamic bits of kit, but the maintenance aspect of them scares the living day lights out of me.

[treequip]

That's right. Moving the chip from site to site is ok. You are not selling it and making money from it or delivering it to a paying customer it's not haulage. Something about for profit or personal gain.....

I'm too tired to go trawling through the vosa maze that is there website to find the relevant documents.

 

Nope

 

The term you are looking for is hire or reward, you get paid to work on the trees and shifting the waste is part of that so you are hauling for hire or reward

[stoxs]

We are going through the same at the moment. Anything on the road over 3.5 T gross train weight needs an O licence, albeit a restricted one. Ag registration is not really a grey area; you are limited to 1.5 kms per day on the highway. Makes no difference if you carry goods for hire and reward or own goods or no goods. VOSA website is clear and helpful, as are VOSA (usually) if you 'phone them. If your'e worried about your local VOSA phone a different area; they don't take your details.

O licence and 1 vehicle reg. is an initial cost of around £600.

 

mmmm

 

not sure on this one, reading the ag rules i can transport my own materials uptp a distance of 25 miles from base. without expemtion.

 

If this rule you are saying of 1.5kms then every tractor in the country would need an O licence.

 

Also i know for fact you can use a vehicle over 3.5t witout O licence and using tacho because we had to look into regarding a MEWP we had , it was ok as long as it was driven by a member of a working party to and from working site and less than 2 hours if i remember! If i was employed to drive vehicle then i would need an O licence!!