New general election petition

[sime42]

Isn't this petition thing just more Musk Medaling with democracy? No doubt Farage also has his sticky little fingers in the mix as well.

 

I think the fact that individuals like the two aforementioned can have such power in democracies across the world is the real significant issue here. That's far more scary than Labour making a bit of a pigs ear of things, right at the start of their turn. Given that they inherited a proper cluster fck anyway.

 

Elon Musk Says Britain Is A 'Tyrannical Police State' In Latest Swipe At Keir Starmer

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The tech billionaire's obsession with the prime minister continues.

 

In any case; this petition has a way to go yet, before it achieves the score of the Cancel Brexit one. That was something like 6M. With no outcome obviously.

 

 

[GarethM]

18 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Christ you are thick.

Says the turncoat that doesn't believe in voting. 

[AHPP]

10 hours ago, Stere said:

 

So who would enforce the rules....

 

Would end up like Mogadishu?

Man. Big topic. Try these. 
 

https://mises.org/mises-daily/wouldnt-warlords-take-over

https://mises.org/online-book/new-liberty-libertarian-manifesto/chapter-12-public-sector-iii-police-law-and-courts/courts

 

[Steven P]

Petition to change the government... because much of what we are seeing isn't the doing of the current one but the fall out from the policies of the last one. 6 months isn't going to roll back 15 years of underfunding and a lack of investment in all public sectors, it isn't going reverse some of the ludicrous decisions, it isn't going to skip past the decisions taken during the pandemic that need to be paid for.

 

So sure, sign away, put your name down, success would be another year of instability while another administration gets going, it won't reverse the unpopular parts of the last budget, the ££ raisers will be kept in quietly.

 

Looking to recent history, May went to the ballot box with a nice majority and lost it, not sure any political party would do the same. Tories won't be pushing for one, Reform will eat into their voters again, the Lib Dems will eat away at Labour (and then into the Tory seats). So petition away, it won't happen.

 

Again to recent history the only time the 'will of the people' was listened to was for Brexit - as hard as Johnson could make it and look at the rip roaring success of that. We, the people are not to be trusted generally.

[Billhook]

There has to be some accountability for any political party reneging on a promise on which they were elected to carry out.

I could start up the Pork Pie party and promise every citizen a million pounds if you elect me.  When elected I just say Oh Dear, the Black Hole is bigger than I thought and there is no money. But apparently you cannot kick me out now due to our system

[Mark J]

1 hour ago, Billhook said:

There has to be some accountability for any political party reneging on a promise on which they were elected to carry out.

I could start up the Pork Pie party and promise every citizen a million pounds if you elect me.  When elected I just say Oh Dear, the Black Hole is bigger than I thought and there is no money. But apparently you cannot kick me out now due to our system

You'd think so but people kept on voting for them: 

From the NHS to levelling up: Here are all the broken promises after 14 years of Tory rule

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From the NHS and housebuilding to banning conversion therapy and levelling up: Here are all the broken promises after 14 years of Tory rule.

 

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, Billhook said:

There has to be some accountability for any political party reneging on a promise on which they were elected to carry out.

I could start up the Pork Pie party and promise every citizen a million pounds if you elect me.  When elected I just say Oh Dear, the Black Hole is bigger than I thought and there is no money. But apparently you cannot kick me out now due to our system

 

We make a judgement though, the manifesto isn't a promise, more guidance of what they would like to do - I don't think a single one has ever been completed. From that I make a judgement - are their broad ideas aligned with my values and what future I want to be a part of. The closest match wins. But I wouldn't take any of it as gospel truth else we would be getting 10,000 extra police, nurses, doctors, 10 new hospitals, every 4 years (that might be 500,000 extra police and nurses in my working life!) poverty and small boat crossing eliminated. Accountability is every 4 years and for as long after till people forgive, or until they loose enough seats through local by elections.

[Billhook]

31 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

We make a judgement though, the manifesto isn't a promise, more guidance of what they would like to do - I don't think a single one has ever been completed. From that I make a judgement - are their broad ideas aligned with my values and what future I want to be a part of. The closest match wins. But I wouldn't take any of it as gospel truth else we would be getting 10,000 extra police, nurses, doctors, 10 new hospitals, every 4 years (that might be 500,000 extra police and nurses in my working life!) poverty and small boat crossing eliminated. Accountability is every 4 years and for as long after till people forgive, or until they loose enough seats through local by elections.

Is there any difference between a manifesto and a pledge?

[Mark Bolam]

No.

They are just different words for ‘lie’.

[Billhook]

All politicians should be forced to wear a pork pie hat before they speak!