Russia Invades ukraine

[Steven P]

56 minutes ago, GarethM said:

A full restoration isn't a peace negotiation, give and take are a required.

 

But it is a fantastic starting point for negotiations rather than Trumps opening gambit of Russia retains all that they have taken, no room for territorial negotiation after then. Plus the '500 billion' charge just to let The Ukraine enter the negotiating table in the first place.

 

Preference opening gambit would be return their land plus pay for damages caused and work from there.

[GarethM]

17 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

But it is a fantastic starting point for negotiations rather than Trumps opening gambit of Russia retains all that they have taken, no room for territorial negotiation after then. Plus the '500 billion' charge just to let The Ukraine enter the negotiating table in the first place.

 

Preference opening gambit would be return their land plus pay for damages caused and work from there.

And how many billions has the USA given, not loaned but given to them ?.

 

It won't be an opening gambit, you mark out your position and they've agreed a basic agreement, it's the Chinese saving face art of negotiation.

 

Negotiation is not like taking your indecisive gf to dinner, where they spent 20 minutes perusing and talking about the menu, then ordering the same basic fish n chips.

 

Plus the negotiations are window dressing, the big wigs do f all. Ever notice the EU stuff, they all bugger off for a meal and it's all miraculously agreed ?.

Edited February 26 by GarethM

[sime42]

20 hours ago, peds said:

*your

 

When you are asked a question you don't understand, start speaking without knowing where you are going and have to wing it:

 

 

 

 

Macron's reaction to that dump of words is the best thing about that clip. The cameraman couldn't help but break the rule about focusing on the speaker.

[Steven P]

25 minutes ago, GarethM said:

And how many billions has the USA given, not loaned but given to them ?.

 

Less than Europe has... but it is the right thing to do as well.

 

Got to split your head away from your apparent stance that money = morals. It does not. Doing the right thing sometimes costs money.

[GarethM]

14 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

Less than Europe has... but it is the right thing to do as well.

 

Got to split your head away from your apparent stance that money = morals. It does not. Doing the right thing sometimes costs money.

I wouldn't mind if it was a loan, we paid the USA for all our stuff during WW2 including liberty ships.

 

Europe hasn't given them missiles like the USA has, the Germans still haven't as it effectively takes them to war. As all targeting is done by whoever provides them, same with storm shadow wasn't that what we sent?.

 

"European countries have provided €132 billion in aid (military, financial and humanitarian) as of December 2024, and the United States has provided €114 billion.[5] Most of the US funding supports American industries who produce weapons and military equipment.[6]" from Wikipedia.

Edited February 26 by GarethM

[Mark Bolam]

4 hours ago, GarethM said:

Don't spoil the ending!

Thank you!

[dan blocker]

Zelensky was absolutely mauled by that prick Trump and Vance. They’re trying to pillage Ukraine and are holding them to ransom. EU need to up their game and support Ukraine more and US told to offski!

[Rich Rule]

I thought the opposite.

 

Zelensky came across as a disrespectful person.  
 

Show a bit of humility to the ones trying to help you.

[dan blocker]

Some of what Zelensky tried to say was lost in his Grasp of English even though it’s probably better than mine? Both of them were having a go at him with Vance trying to look the big politician in front of Trump. They wouldn’t let him speak because he never bowcowed to them. They showed him no respect at all, he’s a leader of a small nation at war( Trump got a fictitious doctors sick chit so he wasn’t called up to fight?) Trump is dancing to Russia’s tune because of what he can get from them? Putins probably promised him the earth -literally and they’ve decided they can carve up Ukraine between them only Zelensky isn’t falling for it. Trump is exaggerating on what the USA have given to Ukraine since 2014, my understanding is that’s it’s around $135 billion, not 400 and odd as he claims. 

[Mesterh]

1 hour ago, Rich Rule said:

I thought the opposite.

 

Zelensky came across as a disrespectful person.  
 

Show a bit of humility to the ones trying to help you.

Are they really trying to help him though? They want him to surrender a good chunk of his land to Russia and give 500 billion in minerals plus the rights to loads of other stuff to the US in payment. I can see the Trump Plaza Kyiz video waiting in the wings.