COP26

[spuddog0507]

2 hours ago, Squaredy said:

Even more clear with meat.  Beef production is very heavily subsidised,  Remove the subsidy and tax beef to reflect the damage beef farming causes and it becomes a nice luxury not an everyday staple.  If we ate beef no more than once a week there would be a vast reduction in greenhouse gas emissions according to the scientists.

There are less cattle beef/dairy in the UK today than there was in 1965 and it is just not a few its something like 1,5 million less, compare this with the amount of cars/trucks on our roads and thats something like 55 times more today and as for commercial flights compared to the same time 4000 in 1965 and 30 million today, We dont have to be Educated at Oxford or Cambridge to work that one out, ???

[difflock]

8 hours ago, Squaredy said:

Yeah.  We need some seriously brave leadership.

Some o the wile edumacated Greeks, wot we kinda blame for inventing democracy, allowed that democracy was a flawed form of Government because most people, the plebs(or is that a Roman term) are greedy selfish stupid twits who will always make the worst long term choices in favour of short term gains.

Or vote for the leaders who offer to make such choices for them.

Bread an circus an all that.

His wisdom was well  prescient!

[Khriss]

9 hours ago, Squaredy said:

Yeah.  We need some seriously brave leadership.

Like this   😉

Cape Town's Day Zero: 'We are axing trees to save water'

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Cape Town, on South Africa's coast, was the first global city to come close to running out of water.

 

 

K

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

11 hours ago, devon TWiG said:

Does anyone even know what COP stands for ??  ( conference of parties to save you looking !!)...many ideas floating on here , and elsewhere no doubt ...but little things will be of no use I think , perhaps we will have to give up things like flying unless for important reasons , minimal holidays ,no  golf trips to the Algarve , Skiing ,Stag nights in Amsterdam , watching cricket ,rugby F1 etc in far flung places , Disney world  ....perhaps we  should ban any new larger than needed cars .. sorts cars ,4x4 unless business , VW vans for leisure use , no big tv's , no new larger than needed houses or other status symbol type excesses , I have always had motorbikes should I give them up?  I ride mostly for fun , therefore just wasting fuel , but what would happen to the economy ...motorcycle dealers close down , no mechanics etc ? same for Pilots of planes  and the Aviation industry ?   Who will make such self sacrifices for the greater good ?? or will there be a clumsy set of rules imposed upon us ?  No  one will like it ,and will the rich / celebrities give up all their excesses as good role models ...then what will we do with our money , what incentive will there be to get out of bed in the morning ? I think everyone realises something needs to be done , but who does what , and to what extent ?

 

51 minutes ago, difflock said:

Some o the wile edumacated Greeks, wot we kinda blame for inventing democracy, allowed that democracy was a flawed form of Government because most people, the plebs(or is that a Roman term) are greedy selfish stupid twits who will always make the worst long term choices in favour of short term gains.

Or vote for the leaders who offer to make such choices for them.

Bread an circus an all that.

His wisdom was well  prescient!

Devon TWIG comments above  - I read - as adding weight to the position that placing the ‘responsibility’ for damage, and the route to repair, as laying with the individual. 
 

This position is entirely contrary to what - I read - as George M’s suggestion in the Guardian article previously posted.
 

George M - as it appears to me - is suggesting that minute scale, individual actions brought about by climate guilt virtue signalling from pseudo greens is actually the result of corporate guilt shifting manipulation - with dopey duplicity from international government - and is actually as futile, possibly even damaging, as changing to a bamboo coffee cup whilst still subscribing to the consumption which fuels deforestation - for example. 
 

Corporate manipulation fuels ever growing consumer demand which requires greater resource resulting in a continuation of devastation. 
 

What a complete mess! 
 

As Marcus highlights - democracy, the very worst form of government (apart from all the others!)
 

 

[Khriss]

( note Jon, Eucalypts mentioned.... 😑) 

[AHPP]

Devon TWIG comments above  - I read - as adding weight to the position that placing the ‘responsibility’ for damage, and the route to repair, as laying with the individual. 
 
This position is entirely contrary to what - I read - as George M’s suggestion in the Guardian article previously posted.
 
George M - as it appears to me - is suggesting that minute scale, individual actions brought about by climate guilt virtue signalling from pseudo greens is actually the result of corporate guilt shifting manipulation - with dopey duplicity from international government - and is actually as futile, possibly even damaging, as changing to a bamboo coffee cup whilst still subscribing to the consumption which fuels deforestation - for example. 
 
Corporate manipulation fuels ever growing consumer demand which requires greater resource resulting in a continuation of devastation. 
 
What a complete mess! 
 
As Marcus highlights - democracy, the very worst form of government (apart from all the others!)
 
 

Pigovian manipulation is an alluring compromise like Georgist LVT but serfdom compromise is still serfdom.

[sime42]

Yes, the earth is in fact such a good engine for turning Carbon into (ultimately) rock and other solids that it is understood that if we (or some other force) do not intervene, life on earth will finally be wiped out when the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere eventually slips below 10ppm.  At this point photosynthesis becomes impossible and all life will then end as we all depend on photosynthesis.
 
Of course this is not going to happen anytime soon, but this is the really long term prognosis apparently.
 
Please don't mis-interpret my words here to suggest I am a climate change denier - I am not.  I have been following this thread with interest, and I would suggest we should all read David Attenborough's latest book (A Life on Our Planet).  What a good read, and not all doom and gloom either.

I listened to an interesting program about this the other week, turning co² into rock. People are taking it one step further and actually using the process to make building materials, a vast improvement.on conventional concrete blocks that are very carbon intensive to manufacture.

39 Ways to Save the Planet - Better Blocks - BBC Sounds

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Concrete blocks are the foundations of the modern world. But they could be greener.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

56 minutes ago, Khriss said:

Like this   😉

Cape Town's Day Zero: 'We are axing trees to save water'

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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Cape Town, on South Africa's coast, was the first global city to come close to running out of water.

 

 

K

Interesting read K.

 

Whether it be well intentioned, but poorly informed / equipped 'experts' providing the initial advice or some form of commercial exploitation (including agriculture), the 'problem' that needs fixing is invariably one that has arisen from an unnatural intervention by humans - alien timber crops in this case it seems.

 

Once that which has been f*cked is properly unf*cked, the best intervention is NO intervention.  Funny how nature has a canny way of fixing itself when left well alone.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

29 minutes ago, AHPP said:

Pigovian manipulation is an alluring compromise like Georgist LVT but serfdom compromise is still serfdom.

Just because somebody suggested the thread had gone 'lowbrow', there's no need to hit the nuclear button 😁

[Stere]

Big proposed re greening intervention  project

 

‘Our biggest challenge? Lack of imagination’: the scientists turning the desert green | Environment | The Guardian

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In China, scientists have turned vast swathes of arid land into a lush oasis. Now a team of maverick engineers want to do...