£15/hour

[Retired Climber]

22 hours ago, Stere said:

How about this idea not saying its right just putting it up as a counter point of view

 

Bullshit Jobs - Wikipedia

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There's a difference between bullshit jobs and what would be described as 'key worker' jobs. What I do is valuable, but nobody is going to starve if I can't do it for a month. 

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3 hours ago, muttley9050 said:

Again views that you are making based on your assumptions of how things are and not how they actually are. Me cutting firewood to keep my self warm is forced labour(Im not sure who you think is able to force me into anything). You cutting firewood is just a hobby that helps keeps your cost low.

Maybe your sad because no one brings you cake while you are doing it.

No you don't owe hours. Like I have said many times already nobody is counting hours. You do what NEEDS doing WHEN your are able to do it. Same as you. Don't forget that whilst some of the logs I chop may get used by other people, i also use some of the logs they chop. Whilst the “old guy " who brings me tea may not g free chipping his own logs, he is a very talented musician and a professional music teacher and has taught my kids music etc etc.

The two day a week thing is a guide, something that is written on a website as an easy way to try to explain to people(didn't really work with you) that we put effort in to help ourselves and each other, keep our costs low and try to be slightly more sustainable.

The way you describe your lifestyle is you are not spending 2 days a week on keeping house, maintaining house, tending land, land projects, cooking, food shopping, growing crops, processing crops, cleaning etc etc then id be surprised.

 

I’m trying to base my views on what you’re telling me and from reading blogs of past members on the internet. 
 

Im cutting my firewood for my own personal use. Although I’m always happy to help folk out I’m not cutting firewood for a whole community who (I’ll assume) can take as much or as little as they feel like for their own personal use. Some who, as you mentioned, pay that time and efforts back with a cup of tea and a bit of cake. If that lifestyle works for you then great. But I dispise communism so my views will always be tainted by that I guess?

 

I get cake, coffee and pies brought to me. 🤣

 

I know you think you’re not being forced into your labour for the commune but you yourself said the entry requirements are very strict to ensure those who are allowed in tow the line. Since your two days a week labour is apart of your rent I wonder for how long you’d get away with not doing your forced labour before you’re turfed out?

 

When I’m home I’ve outside working virtually every day. I feel the difference here is I’m bettering my own property for my own enjoyment. Potentially this is where I’ll retire I’m putting the backbone of the work in now and whilst I enjoy this work very much I’ll be able to enjoy the fruits of my labour when I retire. You on the other hand have to walk away with nothing. And that for me is the crux of why I hate renting. All you’re doing is bettering someone else’s property.

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3 hours ago, muttley9050 said:

If you had an elderly neighbour who needed support would you not help if you could? Working communally and looking out for your community is how things used to work. The newer I'm alright Jack mentality and not knowing your local community other than a cursory nod if you pass in the street is not my ideal and does nothing for many of the issues in todays society.

I’m assuming this post is directed at me and not rhetoric? 😁

 

I get that side of things. I also help people out where I can. Someone I’ve had dealings with before popped over the other day and since he’s lost his job he’s asking for some off-cuts for firewood. I’ve given him 3 cubes of seasoned logs instead. He can come take them whenever suits. But in my mind that’s entirely voluntary whereas it’s apart of your contract, or at least a part of what you described as a strict vetting process to be allowed to join your commune that you must do this. If you don’t do this then (and again I’ll assume) you’ll eventually be turfed out.

 

You’ve chosen this lifestyle but you cannot now chose to stop living a communist lifestyle otherwise you lose your room, or rooms. That to me feels like forced communism and that to me is all communism ever has been. 
 

You forgot to reply when I asked how many percent below market value you sold your house for.  

[Haironyourchest]

An American friend told me there were three settlements in the new world, of the very first settlers. They established themselves some days journey apart and each group of settlers adhered to a different social ethic. Kind of experiments in communal living, with no safety net. One group was firmly about private ownership, another owned everything in common, and I forget the third. Upshot was, the communists starved.

[doobin]

44 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

I’m assuming this post is directed at me and not rhetoric? 😁

 

I get that side of things. I also help people out where I can. Someone I’ve had dealings with before popped over the other day and since he’s lost his job he’s asking for some off-cuts for firewood. I’ve given him 3 cubes of seasoned logs instead. He can come take them whenever suits. But in my mind that’s entirely voluntary whereas it’s apart of your contract, or at least a part of what you described as a strict vetting process to be allowed to join your commune that you must do this. If you don’t do this then (and again I’ll assume) you’ll eventually be turfed out.

 

You’ve chosen this lifestyle but you cannot now chose to stop living a communist lifestyle otherwise you lose your room, or rooms. That to me feels like forced communism and that to me is all communism ever has been. 
 

You forgot to reply when I asked how many percent below market value you sold your house for.  

Now you’re just being a prick. 
 

He’s in a giant house share, paying bugger all rent and mucking in with chores, as happens in a house share. Is your wife doing the washing up ‘forced labour? 🙄On top of that, he’s free to run his own business from there, and if he wants to buy a house to let, that’s cool too. 

I fail to see the communism. Is he forced at gun point to provide all his machinery for free? 

 

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Just now, doobin said:

Now you’re just being a prick. 
 

He’s in a giant house share, paying bugger all rent and mucking in with chores, as happens in a house share. Is your wife doing the washing up ‘forced labour? 🙄On top of that, he’s free to run his own business from there, and if he wants to buy a house to let, that’s cool too. 

I fail to see the communism. Is he forced at gun point to provide all his machinery for free? 

 

He’s not in a giant house share. Have you even read the info on the website? 
 

 

[muttley9050]

I’m assuming this post is directed at me and not rhetoric? [emoji16]
 
I get that side of things. I also help people out where I can. Someone I’ve had dealings with before popped over the other day and since he’s lost his job he’s asking for some off-cuts for firewood. I’ve given him 3 cubes of seasoned logs instead. He can come take them whenever suits. But in my mind that’s entirely voluntary whereas it’s apart of your contract, or at least a part of what you described as a strict vetting process to be allowed to join your commune that you must do this. If you don’t do this then (and again I’ll assume) you’ll eventually be turfed out.
 
You’ve chosen this lifestyle but you cannot now chose to stop living a communist lifestyle otherwise you lose your room, or rooms. That to me feels like forced communism and that to me is all communism ever has been. 
 
You forgot to reply when I asked how many percent below market value you sold your house for. [emoji4] 

Communism and community living are two entirely different things. Not sure how you manage to confuse the two? Nothing about my life is communist.
I choose to live with other people to share costs, jobs, responsibilities etc. I can choose to buy a house whenever I like. To be honest, unless you want to live with your mum, there is no better place to be able to save money.
Yes other people benefit from my efforts. In exactly the same way I benefit from their efforts.
I agree that you are making grounds to retirement you may own more things than me by then, but me (or you) chopping logs now, growing veg now, cooking dinner now etc etc doesn't help you when you're old at all.
Again. I don't have a contract, nobody is counting hours, not sure who you think could turf me out( maybe Castro or Lenin?)
You have Strange outlook on what is voluntary and what is communist.
Why would I sell the house I bought at market value for less than market value?
Not into giving houses away. Not when I only have one.

[difflock]

Muttley, I surmise the issue Andy and I remain perplexed about is how the hell the community so throughly vets and selects new members so that some, at least, do not develop lazier and lazier habits after a while, as some/most humans are wont to do, if other mugginsis will provide for their needs.

If it is all so voluntary.

Regards,

Marcus

N.B.

Having witness backsliding by apparently decent Agency staff, once they succeeded in getting a proper Council job. And even considering families and family members, with differing work ethos.

[Jack.P]

What if they get bitten by angry squirrels up mrs miggins apple tree and loose there ears  and ability to take orders from higher management .should they then be entitled to a longer lunch break from half hour to 45min or pay increase to £15 p.h or just be sacked 

[Rough Hewn]

What if they get bitten by angry squirrels up mrs miggins apple tree and loose there ears  and ability to take orders from higher management .should they then be entitled to a longer lunch break from half hour to 45min or pay increase to £15 p.h or just be sacked 

Anyone who can’t handle squirrels is OUT!
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