Lockdown - has it totally failed?

[skyhuck]

I feel they government has moved the goalposts.

 

We were told the purpose of the lock down was to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed. At no point has the NHS been overwhelmed. They increased capacity, but barely used it and are now mothballing it.

 

I hear many bleating on screaming that we should not ease the lock down and calling those who are in favour morons, etc, etc.

 

But where do these people see things going? This is not bad weather, it's not going to blow over. What if we don't develop a vaccine? Do they advocate we stay in shutdown forever? or until the economy is totally destroyed?

 

 

 

 

[felixthelogchopper]

3 hours ago, Steve Bullman said:

There’s no word for these muppets 

 

Police arrest activists as anti-lockdown protesters gather in Hyde Park | Daily Mail Online

WWW.DAILYMAIL.CO.UK

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Masses people have gathered in Hyde Park, including the brother of Jeremy Corbyn, to protest against the...

 

There's loads, Steve. Most of which are unsuited for polite company.

[Stubby]

49 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

 

a comma, an apostrophe

blind leading the blind

This am ( parentheses ) ?

[Squaredy]

23 minutes ago, skyhuck said:

I feel they government has moved the goalposts.

 

We were told the purpose of the lock down was to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed. At no point has the NHS been overwhelmed. They increased capacity, but barely used it and are now mothballing it.

 

I hear many bleating on screaming that we should not ease the lock down and calling those who are in favour morons, etc, etc.

 

But where do these people see things going? This is not bad weather, it's not going to blow over. What if we don't develop a vaccine? Do they advocate we stay in shutdown forever? or until the economy is totally destroyed?

 

 

 

 

Yes we don't know when or if we will get a vaccine, as highlighted by these conflicting two headlines just posted by the Metro.

 

UK leading race to find coronavirus vaccine 'as early as September'

METRO.CO.UK

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'The speed at which it’s happening is astonishing as vaccines normally take five to 10 years.'

 

 

'We may never find a successful coronavirus vaccine,' minister admits

METRO.CO.UK

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Business Secretary Alok Sharma said the only way to 'definitively conquer this disease' is with a successful vaccine.

 

 

Mind you maybe that says as much about our press as about this pandemic...

[Stubby]

1 minute ago, Squaredy said:

Yes we don't know when or if we will get a vaccine, as highlighted by these conflicting two headlines just posted by the Metro.

 

UK leading race to find coronavirus vaccine 'as early as September'

METRO.CO.UK

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'The speed at which it’s happening is astonishing as vaccines normally take five to 10 years.'

 

 

'We may never find a successful coronavirus vaccine,' minister admits

METRO.CO.UK

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Business Secretary Alok Sharma said the only way to 'definitively conquer this disease' is with a successful vaccine.

 

 

Mind you maybe that says as much about our press as about this pandemic...

That follows on neatly from " Go to work , don't go to work , stay indoors , exercise don't go to work etc etc "

[eggsarascal]

2 minutes ago, Stubby said:

That follows on neatly from " Go to work , don't go to work , stay indoors , exercise don't go to work etc etc "

That's how it is, no one knows how to deal with this virus. It's the arrogance of those telling us what to do that winds me up.

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Stubby said:

That follows on neatly from " Go to work , don't go to work , stay indoors , exercise don't go to work etc etc "

That's how the simple interpreted the simple easy to follow government guidelines. No wonder the UK is in such a mess. 

[Stubby]

Just now, trigger_andy said:

That's how the simple interpreted the simple easy to follow government guidelines. No wonder the UK is in such a mess. 

It was a poorly considered attempt at mirth , referring to the amusing little vid of Boris that was about recently . Sorry and all that . ?

[trigger_andy]

Just now, eggsarascal said:

That's how it is, no one knows how to deal with this virus. It's the arrogance of those telling us what to do that winds me up.

If no one knows how to deal with this virus what do you suggest the government do? Considering they are acting on advice from the UK's senior scientists. I genuinely think people are intentionally pushing back against the governments guidelines for political reasons. Hence why its the Hard Left out doing all the protesting in the UK. Funny how Labour supporters are not discussing that much on here.  

[Guest Gimlet]

Well it has worked, insofar that it's original purpose was to flatten the peak and delay the spread of the outbreak so that the health system wouldn't be overwhelmed. It was never about "beating the virus" because you can't. 

I imagine it'll come back this winter and another 40 or 50,000 will die, maybe a good deal more. If there's a flu outbreak at the same time it could be double that. Not a lot you can do about it and locking ourselves indoors forever isn't an option.

We've got used to the the idea that you're born, you live and if you don't get unlucky and die from a "proper" fatal disease like cancer, all other ailments can be medicated away and you eventually die of old age and that's the natural course of events. In fact it isn't natural at all. We've just had a honeymoon period in the developed world where we've held nature in abeyance and got used to having it easy.

 

As far as I can see this virus is a consequence of human over-population. If it did jump species and wasn't released from a laboratory whether by incompetence or malice it was human overcrowding causing the insanitary conditions and practices that made the jump possible. And it is over-population and global travel in a shrinking world that facilitated its spread and turned it into a pandemic. 

Covid19 will probably look relatively innocuous compared with other plagues that are waiting down the line.

It's always the same: when a species is no longer subject to natural growth constraints it will continue to over-populate until either disease or starvation caused by the depletion of resources brings about a cataclysmic collapse. That's how it works. 

Well we know already that we're depleting resources, we just haven't yet reached the point of collective understanding where we can accept that environmental degradation, "climate change" or whatever label next comes into fashion, is not a political or an economic problem that can be fixed with taxes, fashionable politics and anti-capitalist protest, it's an anthropological one. 

Edited May 17, 2020 by Gimlet