Now There’s A Suprise...Not

[scotspine1]

1 hour ago, trigger_andy said:

Do you actually have any solutions 

 

Abandon the sinking ship that is capitalism. 

 

Implement forced economic slow down, followed by de-growth - an incremental deconstruction of capitalism especially it's insidious requirement for mass immigration (cheap labour/new consumers). 

 

Global de-population programs. Current population forecast based on birthrate patterns for 2100 is 11 billion people - unsustainable - everyone knows this, only a fool would deny it. 

 

Capitalism is destroying the natural world and if we continue at current economic growth globally it will cause civilisational and ecological collapse and with it hardships beyond the imagination. If you think the Covid crisis is bad, wait for the resource wars and mass famines caused by ecological collapse. 

 

Anyone promoting the benefits of capitalism now is in complete denial of the grave situation the human race is facing in the near future. 

 

Capitalism only benefits the elite. An elite moving ever further away from the masses. 

 

 

 

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[Mark J]

50 minutes ago, scotspine1 said:

 

Abandon the sinking ship that is capitalism. 

 

Capitalism is destroying the natural world and if we continue at current economic growth globally it will cause civilisational and ecological collapse and with it hardships beyond the imagination. If you think the Covid crisis is bad, wait for the resource wars and mass famines caused by ecological collapse. 

 

Anyone promoting the benefits of capitalism now is in complete denial of the grave situation the human race is facing in the near future. 

 

Capitalism only benefits the elite. An elite moving ever further away from the masses. 

 

Point out the facts and not opinions mate.

Edited May 13, 2020 by Mark J

[Paul Cleaver]

1 hour ago, scotspine1 said:

 

Abandon the sinking ship that is capitalism. 

 

Implement forced economic slow down, followed by de-growth - an incremental deconstruction of capitalism especially it's insidious requirement for mass immigration (cheap labour/new consumers). 

 

Global de-population programs. Current population forecast based on birthrate patterns for 2100 is 11 billion people - unsustainable - everyone knows this, only a fool would deny it. 

 

Capitalism is destroying the natural world and if we continue at current economic growth globally it will cause civilisational and ecological collapse and with it hardships beyond the imagination. If you think the Covid crisis is bad, wait for the resource wars and mass famines caused by ecological collapse. 

 

Anyone promoting the benefits of capitalism now is in complete denial of the grave situation the human race is facing in the near future. 

 

Capitalism only benefits the elite. An elite moving ever further away from the masses. 

 

 

 

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the selfish gene

[Sutton]

6 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

No, I'm just a whiner, haven't progressed to problem solving yet

Don't get disheartened. Passion keeps the feeling alive.

The first chatbots translated "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak" into russian thus: "the vodka is strong but the meat is off". My grand daughter's algorithm might put it: "The mood has momentum but consumerism curtails"

[Sutton]

6 hours ago, scotspine1 said:

Abandon the sinking ship that is capitalism.

Financial capitalism is like your step-mommy who says "I like what you want to do but keep me informed". State capitalism is like your nan who says "well, if that's what you want to do, but be careful". Are you sure, we are ready to leave home for good? Even Elon Musk doesn't know where he's headed?

Edited May 14, 2020 by Sutton
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[scotspine1]

 

1 hour ago, Sutton said:

Financial capitalism is like your step-mommy who says "I like what you want to do but keep me informed". State capitalism is like your nan who says "well, if that's what you want to do, but be careful". Are you sure, we are ready to leave home for good? Even Elon Musk doesn't know where he's headed?

 

We’re in the final days of late stage capitalism. We have to dismantle it before it collapses. 

 

Think of a nuclear reactor. Once it’s done it’s job and served it’s purpose you can’t just leave it to become decrepit otherwise you’ll end up with a Chernobyl type situation. 

 

 

 

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[the village idiot]

24 minutes ago, scotspine1 said:

 

 

We’re in the final days of late stage capitalism. We have to dismantle it before it collapses. 

 

Think of a nuclear reactor. Once it’s done it’s job and served it’s purpose you can’t just leave it to become decrepit otherwise you’ll end up with a Chernobyl type situation. 

 

 

 

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Yes, this is my feeling too (although admittedly I know bugger all about economics.)

 

I wonder whether a reconfiguration rather than a dismantling might be better? Capitalism does work pretty well as long as there are proper checks in place to stop things getting too top heavy. We haven't done too well in this department.

 

It's a delicate balance though. We could do with improving wealth distribution but we don't want to dis-incentivise innovation.

 

 

[Big J]

From the bit of research I've done, I really like the nordic capitalist model. Supportive of entrepreneurs and business, but very socialist in it's social mindset. The poor aren't really poor and the rich aren't that rich. I was looking at average salaries for lorry drivers in Sweden the other day (out of curiosity) and the average starting wage is £4k a month, rising to double that with 10-15 years experience. They place value on essential services (like transportation of goods) in a way that I don't think we do.

 

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[trigger_andy]

1 hour ago, scotspine1 said:

 

 

We’re in the final days of late stage capitalism. We have to dismantle it before it collapses. 

 

Think of a nuclear reactor. Once it’s done it’s job and served it’s purpose you can’t just leave it to become decrepit otherwise you’ll end up with a Chernobyl type situation. 

 

 

 

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You're dreaming if you think thats ever gonna happen. Its naive wishful thinking. 

 

I'm not saying your completely wrong, a lot of the points you raised in your earlier post I tend to agree with, but man is simply too greedy to change his ways. Generally most former Communist Countries are now full swing Capitalists in all but name. These countries ie China, Russia etc are raping the world far more than the West is. Then add to that the likes of India and other vastly over populated hell holes and what we're doing is small change in comparison. 

 

So what model would you suggest Capitalism is replaced with? And it has to be a realistic one, not an idealistic one. 

[Sutton]

1 hour ago, scotspine1 said:

We have to dismantle it before it collapses.

If you mean, some kind of super-acceleration in stretching loans beyond all bounds of them ever being "serviced" again then given current UK household debt, "We" wont have to do anything. It'll do it itself. Some of us are thinking about new beginnings though

Edited May 14, 2020 by Sutton