Covid-19

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Big J said:

 

I disagree. The economic recovery predates Trump, and the trajectory it's followed since his election has not improved when compared to pre 2016 numbers:

 

NPR Choice page

WWW.NPR.ORG

 

Its the same broken record banded about whenever an opposition party gains office. The Opposition will always claim that any good the incoming office does is because of the outgoing party, and any bad that happens is placed firmly at the foot of the outgoing party by the incoming. And around and around we go. 

 

There is plenty evidence to counter any link you post (Ive gotta go out to work now) But you'd hold it in the same esteem Id hold what you present, so pointless.

 

At least Labour in all their Wisdom left a note to the Tories putting their hands up admitting they drained the piggy bank dry.  

 

 

[David Cropper]

6 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

 

Id piss on Priti Patel, but we're veering away from Politics now.  

With statements like that, I'm feeling a certain sense of kinship. Good boy.

[TIMON]

Some might argue that he merely capitalised on the economic foundation left to him by his predecessor, and that the measures he took to further boost that economic boom were short termist and protectionist. Neither of which are sustainable in the long term. 
 

Some people definitely would! So Obama takes the credit for the ‘good stuff’ left as a legacy. At what point would he cease to accept the plaudits?
By the same rationale we should blame the lack of planning for a worldwide pandemic on Trumps predecessor as well then?

[Mark J]

4 hours ago, TIMON said:

 

Patel-bashing is out of control

WWW.SPIKED-ONLINE.COM

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The chattering class’s hatred of Priti Patel is crossing the line into something like racism.

Nowt to do with skin colour, or as the Mail might put it ' Exotic Heritage'. All to do with competency and compassion. Two traits she appears to lack.

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Then there was Prit Patel’s awful attempt at the daily briefing at the weekend, where she repeatedly refused to apologise to NHS staff for lack of PPE. Patel manages to rile just about everyone by saying – ‘I’m sorry if people feel there have been failings.’

It would be an understatement to say that the mainstream media have not done their jobs properly by holding this government to account. Only this week, almost the entire corporate media has failed to report on their front pages the fact that the UK has just hit the highest daily death toll from COVID-19 in Europe. Instead, it’s a few diversionary ‘spirit of the Blitz’ stories and reporting what videos Boris Johnson is watching from his hospital bed.

The British Medical Association is outraged by the government and went public last Friday:

 

“We are hearing reports of a shocking lack of PPE supplies across trusts in England today. The Government must address dwindling PPE supplies immediately – PPE should not be being rationed due to a lack of supply. The workforce simply cannot continue facing the prospect of either being put directly in harm’s way or facing the anxiety of not knowing whether they will be adequately protected or not.”

 

The Royal College of Surgeons of England backs this outrage up after collating the views of 1,978 surgeons and surgical trainees. “The widespread lack of PPE for frontline staff is a disgrace”
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Edited April 14, 2020 by Mark J

[Mark J]

30 minutes ago, TIMON said:

 

Some people definitely would! So Obama takes the credit for the ‘good stuff’ left as a legacy. At what point would he cease to accept the plaudits?
By the same rationale we should blame the lack of planning for a worldwide pandemic on Trumps predecessor as well then?

Nope:

Of Course the Trump Administration Ignored a Step-by-Step Guide to Fighting a Coronavirus-Esque Pandemic | Vanity Fair

WWW.VANITYFAIR.COM

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“It just sat as a document that people worked on that was thrown onto a shelf.”

 

[Mark J]

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Edited April 14, 2020 by Mark J
Double post

[difflock]

Gents, The previous and longstanding NHS attitude to PPE and other medical supplies was and is unsustainable, the prolifigate use and wastage, never mind downright theft(of masks and gloves by the carton, in the early days of the pandemic) cannot be provided for.

And "the usual suspects" will do their dammnest to blame the Conservatives.

How about asking the multitude of "managers" to do their jobs, instead of blaming the Government, the whole thing happened in slow motion, with plenty of heads-up/warnings from the Chinese experience.

BTW

A Prison Officer, very recently, like last week, related to me his account of beinging in an ICU here in NI.

With a prisoner/paitent.

Said prisoner/patient had recovered sufficiently so as to be discharged from the ICU.

The Nurse said"I'll put these 2 bottles of antibiotics to go with the paitent"

What about all the rest of the bottles and stuff? asked the PO,

Oh, it will all be dumped said the Nurse, along with the rest of this stuff,

as she commenced clearing 2 wardrobe sized cupboards into a yellow clynical waste bag,

standard procedure, this stuff could all be contaminated,

So WTF was it in there?

Regards,

Marcus

Also, from observations during my stay in hospital some 6 months ago, many staff are less than rigerous re personal hygine protocals, so the supposed lack of PPE may well be a bit of a red herring.

Plus the possibility/probility staff contracted the virus outside of their work.

There are many dedicated and very good NHS/nursing staff, there are also a significent number who are  neither good nor dedicated, but again, what are the highly paid managers actually doing?

 

 

Edited April 15, 2020 by difflock

[openspaceman]

5 hours ago, David Cropper said:

Could leftie baiting become the new blood sport? I shall put my vast computer like-brain into action. 

You are a very bad man

[openspaceman]

12 minutes ago, difflock said:

Gents, The previous and longstanding NHS attitude to PPE and other medical supplies was and is unsustainable, the prolifigate use and wastage, never mind downright theft(of masks and gloves by the carton, in the early days of the pandemic) cannot be provided for.

And "the usual suspects" will do their dammnest to blame the Conservatives.

How about asking the multitude of "managers" to do their jobs, instead of blaming the Government, the whole thing happened in slow motion, with plenty of heads-up/warnings from the Chinese experience.

BTW

A Prison Officer, very recently, like last week, related to me his account of beinging in an ICU here in NI.

With a prisoner/paitent.

Said prisoner/patient had recovered sufficiently so as to be discharged from the ICU.

The Nurse said"I'll put these 2 bottles of antibiotics to go with the paitent"

What about all the rest of the bottles and stuff? asked the PO,

Oh, it will all be dumped said the Nurse, along with the rest of this stuff,

as she commenced clearing 2 wardrobe sized cupboards into a yellow clynical waste bag,

standard procedure, this stuff could all be contaminated,

So WTF was it in there?

 

I noted how the district nurse metered out the morphine sulphate and recorded the use on 3 separate bits of paperwork and then stuck the label from each ampoule onto the record as proof, spending three or four times  the time it took to administer the automatic syringe  because it was a controlled drug. When I was clearing out the room I waited for her last visit so she could take charge of the remaining ampoules, she said she couldn't take anything away and to take them to the pharmacy. I went to the pharmacy with a fairly full carrier bag of unused medication including the dozen ampoules, the young girl at the counter reached out to take them  and I asked if she was a qualified pharmacist, she said no so I elected to wait till one was available. When he came out I explained what I had, expecting to get a chit for the controlled drug but he took the bag, thanked me, offered condolences and said goodbye. I was flabbergasted.

 

District nurse also said she could not take the twenty unopened cartons of incontinence pads back, I'm hoping they will be of some use to the hospice.

 

Interestingly I had had to buy some colloidal silver dressings, about 10 quid each, and there were 3 left over and the district nurse did take those as the NHS had run out a week or so earlier. 

12 minutes ago, difflock said:

Regards,

Marcus

Also, from observations during my stay in hospital some 6 months ago, many staff are less than rigerous re personal hygine protocals, so the supposed lack of PPE may well be a bit of a red herring.

Plus the possibility/probility staff contracted the virus outside of their work.

There are many dedicated and very good NHS/nursing staff, there are also a significent number who are  neither good nor dedicated, but again, what are the highly paid managers actually doing?

We saw a lot of that sloppy hygiene in the hospital but my daughter did not want a fuss made, her sister did rip into one of the catering staff outside though.

 

ATM it's all hands on deck and my friend who I expected to be furloughed from the speech therapy department is flat out constantly updating duty rosters as frontline staff fall ill

 

[trigger_andy]

2 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

 

I noted how the district nurse metered out the morphine sulphate and recorded the use on 3 separate bits of paperwork and then stuck the label from each ampoule onto the record as proof, spending three or four times  the time it took to administer the automatic syringe  because it was a controlled drug. When I was clearing out the room I waited for her last visit so she could take charge of the remaining ampoules, she said she couldn't take anything away and to take them to the pharmacy. I went to the pharmacy with a fairly full carrier bag of unused medication including the dozen ampoules, the young girl at the counter reached out to take them  and I asked if she was a qualified pharmacist, she said no so I elected to wait till one was available. When he came out I explained what I had, expecting to get a chit for the controlled drug but he took the bag, thanked me, offered condolences and said goodbye. I was flabbergasted.

 

District nurse also said she could not take the twenty unopened cartons of incontinence pads back, I'm hoping they will be of some use to the hospice.

 

Interestingly I had had to buy some colloidal silver dressings, about 10 quid each, and there were 3 left over and the district nurse did take those as the NHS had run out a week or so earlier. 

We saw a lot of that sloppy hygiene in the hospital but my daughter did not want a fuss made, her sister did rip into one of the catering staff outside though.

 

ATM it's all hands on deck and my friend who I expected to be furloughed from the speech therapy department is flat out constantly updating duty rosters as frontline staff fall ill

 

This is so disheartening. The NHS stopped being fit for purpose a long time ago. A full and complete overhaul is needed.