Shows & Coronavirus?

[Acerforestry]

Hand sanitizer is just basically isopropyl alcohol and some plant gel. aloe. Make it yourself, a doddle

[Matthew Storrs]

30 minutes ago, gary112 said:

Everybody must be shitting themselves about it cos went in Sainsburys today and they had hardly any bog roll on the shelves,none of that hand sanitiser either

Why else do you buy bog roll!

[Witterings]

7 hours ago, Gimlet said:

They've moved on from containment. Now it's delay.

 

I hope their stratedgy for delay is better than their one for containment buecause that's failed dismally within an incredibly short period of time!!

[Guest Gimlet]

9 hours ago, Witterings said:

 

I hope their stratedgy for delay is better than their one for containment buecause that's failed dismally within an incredibly short period of time!!

They never adopted a containment strategy as far as I can see, they just talked about it. If you wish to contain an infection surely you don't invite it in with open borders and completely unchecked and uncontrolled travel to and from other infected parts of the world. 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Gimlet

[Gary Prentice]

16 hours ago, openspaceman said:

 so the slower the spread the more chance us oldies have of getting a bed in ICU.

If you're pinning your hopes on getting a bed, I'd give up now.

 

Based on my own experiences bed management in my local health authority is woeful. Several times I've been stuck in A&E when there's a clear requirement to be moved into ICU, but there's no beds available.

 

What was surprising a couple of weeks ago when I was in is the percentage of beds taken up by stroke victims. I appreciate the monitoring that need due to the risk of further incidents but had always thought they were on specialised walds  to cover their monitoring and observations. Anyway, that seems unlikely to change.

 

The holdups to realise beds is blindingly obvious. Once discharged (to return home or move to another hospital or specialist unit. the pharmacy fills the consultants prescription. Until that is provided the patient sits tight, occupying a bed/single room. On average, and if you're really lucky, it'll be at least four hours, ofen 6-8hrs before medication arrives and you can. So a good percentage of beds are still taken by people who no longer need them. All staff say is "pharmacy is backed up normal!

 

I presume that a manger is earning £60+K a year but no-one seems to realise that delayed discharges due to pharmacy levels create a road block in freeing up beds!

 

Another obvious failure is inadequacies in hospital transport services. When I was in a couple of weeks back I was booked to go to a specialist renal unit. Packed and ready to go. On each occasion transport was a problem, the last time a consultant came to Oldham from Salford to oversee the move. After he arrived he was told it wasn't happening due to transport issues.

 

What's annoying is the abuse of the transport system. I've seen dozens a people arrive for outpatient treatment in an ambulances. People seem to treat that as a right. You might need hospital transport for an appointment if you must travel with medical care, but lots of the people arrive and twenty minutes family and friends arrive (presumably under there own steam) to offer support or to translate. There's something amiss when alternative transport is available; public/taxi/family, friend or neighbours for what afterall is a day to day appointments (not emergency) which creates a barrier to operating at the levels where transport needs are often pretty urgent - getting seriously ill people to the best unit available for their problems.

 

This is a bit of an aside, but I saw something monday that just highlighted some peoples ignorance of basic hygiene. 

I had an outpatients appoint for IV chemo treatment. Bare in mind that the ward and clinic is full of cancer patients with suppressed immune systems.

 

I sat in the waiting room, I fellow came in and started coughing, continuously, covering his mouth with his hand. So anything he's coughing is now coating his palms. Now that they well covered he starts picking up magazines. Then he goes to the flasks where you can make yourself - let's make sure everyone gets a chance to catch whatever I've got then!

 

I gave it a couple of minutes and then  and moved as far from him as possible. "Is there a problem?" he asked. 

 

My reply just got a blank look. 

I just said, "look I'm immunosuppressed, like most of us in here. I don't want to sit near anyone with an apparent infection showing complete disregard for anyone else. Due to your ignorance you're putting people at risk, how about coughing into a tissue rather than covering your hands and touching everything else? Then go and wash your hands and use the hand-cleansers situated all around you. Nurses got me moved into a treatment room immediately - causing trouble again 

 

[Stere]

Are you felling lucky whats your death chance?

 

 

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[Gary Prentice]

1 minute ago, Stere said:

Are you felling lucky whats your death chance?

 

 

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I'm 54 and immunosuppressed. I'm also DNR at the moment so I doubt I'd survive it.

[Woodworks]

1 hour ago, Gimlet said:

They never adopted a containment strategy as far as I can see, they just talked about it. If you wish to contain an infection surely you don't invite it in with open borders and completely unchecked and uncontrolled travel to and from other infected parts of the world. 

It does seem absurd. It looks like all they care about is the keeping the business/trade cash cow running and if it costs lives thats a price they are happy with. While China the supposedly bad guy in most things has basically shut down the country to contain it  which if the numbers are to be believed they are doing pretty well at. 

 

Gary your situation sounds truly horrible but fingers crossed for you.  

[gary112]

16 minutes ago, Gary Prentice said:

I'm 54 and immunosuppressed. I'm also DNR at the moment so I doubt I'd survive it.

Lets hope you stay safe from it Gary

[eggsarascal]

1 hour ago, Gary Prentice said:

I'm 54 and immunosuppressed. I'm also DNR at the moment so I doubt I'd survive it.

Don't do one on me Prentice, I'm banking on you to show us how to fight the good fight.