Big J on radio 4..

[eggsarascal]

34 minutes ago, AHPP said:

But the lovely landowning scroungers will bolster the economy by trickling the money down to contractors etc, who will then pay tax which will pay their own wages. That could work indefinitely.

I also have a design for a personal mobile elevated work platform. You stand in a bucket and lift yourself up by the handle.

With my non Presbyterian upbringing I've seen these landowners driving around in brand new trucks while claiming benefits. 

[AHPP]

27 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

With my non Presbyterian upbringing I've seen these landowners driving around in brand new trucks while claiming benefits. 

It's legal though, like lobotomising gays was.

[Paul in the woods]

7 hours ago, AHPP said:

I'll be honest. You're losing me. Suffice to say that if you seriously believe flooding the UK developable land market with fifty-four million acres (compared to the six million acres currently built on)* is going to increase land prices, I'm probably incapable of reasoning with you.

So you assume any new builds will be nicely spread out around the country? Most will be around cities, towns, villages where there's work, transport and other facilities - as illustrated by Big J.

 

I can't see this not resulting in very large price rises in the areas where most people would want to build.

 

As for your tax, it's still a tax.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Paul in the woods

[Stubby]

10 hours ago, Big J said:

 

 

One thing I do feel I'd try to do (if I was lucky enough to end up with a few acres) is to have whatever woodland I owned open to the community

You mean a dog toilet Jonathan ?

[difflock]

7 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

With my non Presbyterian upbringing I've seen these landowners driving around in brand new trucks while claiming benefits. 

 

6 hours ago, AHPP said:

It's legal though, like lobotomising gays was.

Gents, I can only reiteriate my family owned farm upbringing of 60-50 year ago. It was very plain, any money was re-invested in the farm business. My father and his brother worked brutally hard. There was no mains electric. There was no mains water.There were no holidays. There were few luxuries, compared to my townie classmates.

These things may have changed, BUT that is how family owned farms were inherited or accrued. You can be as envious and jealous of the current farmers/landowners as you like but you sound like Uncle Joe Stalin and his reaction to, and treatment of the Kulaks. Link attatched.

Kulak - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

 

[AHPP]

47 minutes ago, difflock said:

 

Gents, I can only reiteriate my family owned farm upbringing of 60-50 year ago. It was very plain, any money was re-invested in the farm business. My father and his brother worked brutally hard. There was no mains electric. There was no mains water.There were no holidays. There were few luxuries, compared to my townie classmates.

These things may have changed, BUT that is how family owned farms were inherited or accrued. You can be as envious and jealous of the current farmers/landowners as you like but you sound like Uncle Joe Stalin and his reaction to, and treatment of the Kulaks. Link attatched.

Kulak - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

 

You steadfastly miss the point. Just because someone has worked hard to get into a position where they are able to do wrong, doing wrong isn't any less wrong.

[AHPP]

1 hour ago, Paul in the woods said:

So you assume any new builds will be nicely spread out around the country? Most will be around cities, towns, villages where there's work, transport and other facilities - as illustrated by Big J.

 

I can't see this not resulting in very large price rises in the areas where most people would want to build.

 

As for your tax, it's still a tax.

The thought process of your new suburbanite:
"I want to live on the edge of a town to be close to work, transport and other facilities."
<looks on rightmove>
"Bugger. Everything's a fortune around here. I'll move out a bit. It's cheaper."
<time passes>
"That house I was looking at on the town edge still hasn't sold. Perhaps the seller will accept a lower offer."

 

Compared with the situation now:

"I want to live on the edge of a town to be close to work, transport and other facilities."
<looks on rightmove>
"Bugger. Everything's a fortune around here. Let's look at alternatives."

,a very small amount of time passes>

"Bugger. There's no alternative. I'll get a mortgage I can't afford and contribute to crashing the economy in a few years."

Edited August 29, 2019 by AHPP

[difflock]

5 hours ago, AHPP said:

You steadfastly miss the point. Just because someone has worked hard to get into a position where they are able to do wrong, doing wrong isn't any less wrong.

By what defination are they "doing wrong", if they are acting within lawful constraints?

Are you asking landowners/farmers to act more morally than the rest of the population?

And brutally, the law abiding farming community are significently less of a drain on Society(compared to benefits scroungers) in respect of the associated costs of providing Social housing, Social Services, Policing, NHS  health care and litter lifting.

From my local observations over 50 years leastwise.

And I know farmers/landowners are not perfect, but  .  .  .

Edited August 29, 2019 by difflock

[MattyF]

To be fair j if you had not spent a fortune on brand new gear you could of brought your self a nice bit of land.
We have a nice bit of land but apart from one decent tractor on finance every thing else is old kit.

[AHPP]

10 minutes ago, difflock said:

By what defination are they "doing wrong", if they are acting within lawful constraints?

Are you asking landowners/farmers to act more morally than the rest of the population?

And brutally, the law abiding farming community are significently less of a drain on Society(compared to benefits scroungers) in respect of the associated costs of providing Social housing, Social Services, Policing, NHS  health care and litter lifting.

From my local observations over 50 years leastwise.

And I know farmers/landowners are not perfect, but  .  .  .

You're being obtuse. The law allows for, encourages and goes as far as mandating many things that are abhorrent. You know exactly what I mean by doing wrong. Taking money stolen from other people is wrong.

As for who is the greater drain, have you got any figures to hand to back up what you say? I don't either but I strongly suspect the dolescum are a drop in the ocean compared to the landscum.