Climate change anyone?

[Mesterh]

4 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

Because "God" isn't a two-dimensional cartoon character. God is a word for a concept that is beyond most people, at an intellectual level. To put is simply, Man is God fragmented. Our disembodied collective consciousness, in the distant past, formed this planet, and all life on it. All life, plant and animal, is an aspect of Man. We are the centre of the universe. Man/God is self conflicted though, there is confusion about the way forward, hence debates like this. I let go of the guilt and life is so much better now. 

Im sure Tolkein said something similar in his fictional books. But can you please explain what on earth that means?

Also what guilt have you let go of?

 

[the village idiot]

31 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

Because "God" isn't a two-dimensional cartoon character. God is a word for a concept that is beyond most people, at an intellectual level. To put is simply, Man is God fragmented. Our disembodied collective consciousness, in the distant past, formed this planet, and all life on it. All life, plant and animal, is an aspect of Man. We are the centre of the universe. Man/God is self conflicted though, there is confusion about the way forward, hence debates like this. I let go of the guilt and life is so much better now. 

Appreciate your candour there Hairychest.

 

There is a tiny sliver of commonality in our world views, based around one aspect of your thoughts on conciousness. I struggle with the rest to be honest.

 

Probably best debated on a different thread.

[Vespasian]

6 hours ago, difflock said:

 

 Thats nothin but two ill informed numbties exposing their ignorance..  

 

they should look at this one for balance..

 

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

7 hours ago, Mesterh said:

16 tonnes, travel was nearly 50%.

 

Looks like they need to improve aeroplanes, a lot.

 

 

 

7 hours ago, the village idiot said:

The national psyche summed up perfectly there Mesterh.?

Travel was a killer here too with the “tips for improvement fairly meaningless (a) in a rural setting and (b) given the work sector:

 

cycle more and use public transport!

 

As to flights, I do fly and it is voluntary / choice but take the last one, a return flight to Israel for less that a train ticket to Glasgow. 

 

Whilst those parameters remain, the National psyche will remain or the ‘solutions’ or ‘incentives’ must come from government - provide / improve rural public transport at a level which makes it attractive and tackle the source of air travel pollution by tech improvements. 

 

Could never go vegan but treating meat as a treat and being very thrifty with it is just good health, economic and environmental sense. 

[the village idiot]

9 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

 

Travel was a killer here too with the “tips for improvement fairly meaningless (a) in a rural setting and (b) given the work sector:

 

cycle more and use public transport!

 

As to flights, I do fly and it is voluntary / choice but take the last one, a return flight to Israel for less that a train ticket to Glasgow. 

 

Whilst those parameters remain, the National psyche will remain or the ‘solutions’ or ‘incentives’ must come from government - provide / improve rural public transport at a level which makes it attractive and tackle the source of air travel pollution by tech improvements. 

 

Could never go vegan but treating meat as a treat and being very thrifty with it is just good health, economic and environmental sense. 

Foreign holidays are something that makes life worth living for a lot of people. I can see that it might be counter productive to cut those out.

 

A lot of flights are business flights, so that people can meet face to face to do deals. This is understandable, but surely now we have the tech to carry out this function in a less ideal but workable remote fashion?

[Stubby]

7 hours ago, Haironyourchest said:

Because "God" isn't a two-dimensional cartoon character. God is a word for a concept that is beyond most people, at an intellectual level. To put is simply, Man is God fragmented. Our disembodied collective consciousness, in the distant past, formed this planet, and all life on it. All life, plant and animal, is an aspect of Man. We are the centre of the universe. Man/God is self conflicted though, there is confusion about the way forward, hence debates like this. I let go of the guilt and life is so much better now. 

It turns out God , well he  is just a Squirrel and I shot and eat that sonbithc !  ( The Revernant )

[Billhook]

Big halo and virtue signal from me at 5.9 tons but even if we all reduced it to one ton it would still be nothing compared to the energy required to keep the military just on manoeuvres let alone dropping bombs in the far East.  A single Eurofighter mission from here to drop a bomb on a target would probably use more energy than everyone's footprint here on Arbtalk

A single volcano eruption  would be similar.

 

The elephant in the room is the world population which has to be reduced.  The only sensible way without war or disease or compulsory cull, is to put a chemical in all sugar which makes people infertile.  You would let it be known that this was to be introduced to give people the choice..  This would help stop the obesity crisis as well as the population increase.

 

If this did not work you would make people take an infertility pill before they boarded and aeroplane, or bought exotic foods from far away, or bought any fossil fuel.............keep ramping it up until we arrive at a manageable one billion.

[the village idiot]

19 minutes ago, Big J said:

Couple the 80 litres a week of road diesel usage for my van with the 150 litres a week of red diesel usage and I'm definitely an environmental terrorist!

Don't be too hard on yourself J. It makes a big difference what you are driving your gas guzzlers to do.

 

Worth us all bearing in mind though that the limit the WWF calculator sets (around 10 tonnes per annum) will only limit the effects of climate change to catastrophic.

[Woodlover]

4 minutes ago, Billhook said:

put a chemical in all sugar which makes people infertile

They have been doing that for many years ,well...with the plastic most tins are sprayed with to stop them rusting, and its turning us all gay apparently. Testosterone levels and sperm counts have never been so low. Just look at the world around you and it does appear to be true.

[the village idiot]

19 minutes ago, Billhook said:

Big halo and virtue signal from me at 5.9

You virtue signal away Billhook, that is incredible!

 

What are you not doing to get such a low result?