Facebook video. Graphic accident

[Khriss]

11 hours ago, slasherscot said:

this couldnt have happened on a UK utility site ........surely?

Big pylon in background - looks very like it k

[5 shires]

I think everyone who has posted on this subject has made a lot of relevant and well judged points as have I but it sounds like a few of the comments made including mine sound like it’s shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted and it’s easy to criticise after the event but I stand by my first statement that if a little more time and thought put into thinking out how to carry out the removal of the tree would have not resulted in a near fatal accident,because that’s what it was just an accident but an unavoidable one.we have all had close shaves doing this kind of work and who ever says they haven’t they are lying,it’s part of what we do and no matter how much we follow the health and  safety protocol the forces of nature dictate that we are venerable.i for one think that posting an accident like that brings home how quickly things can go wrong and Man v Tree is only one winner,we are 90% H20. 

[Mick Dempsey]

5 minutes ago, 5 shires said:

I think everyone who has posted on this subject has made a lot of relevant and well judged points as have I but it sounds like a few of the comments made including mine sound like it’s shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted and it’s easy to criticise after the event but I stand by my first statement that if a little more time and thought put into thinking out how to carry out the removal of the tree would have not resulted in a near fatal accident,because that’s what it was just an accident but an unavoidable one.we have all had close shaves doing this kind of work and who ever says they haven’t they are lying,it’s part of what we do and no matter how much we follow the health and  safety protocol the forces of nature dictate that we are venerable.i for one think that posting an accident like that brings home how quickly things can go wrong and Man v Tree is only one winner,we are 90% H20. 

Yeah, good thread, lots of guys going to work the last week or so thinking more about what happened here.

 

 

[LGP Eddie]

24 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Yeah, good thread, lots of guys going to work the last week or so thinking more about what happened here.

 

 

Absolutely, that would have been played on the Truck bonnet by a few having a morning brief this week perhaps?

That’s after gathering them up, getting them off their phone, stopping them talking or looking like the Flying Scotsman pulling out of Kings Cross on a cold morning by puffing away on a vape!

All whilst the quiet one ticks all the boxes on a telephone book of paperwork that’s all put back in the ‘pack’ if you want it.

 

I’ve had enough of these generic glaze overs to know they’re generally just a routine and as long as the paperwork is done all is good to go.

 

The industry screams out for the Foreman role, someone with some respect and some bite to his bark.

No need for conflict, being asked to pack your stuff, go home and await a call is shock enough for most to realise they’ve overstepped the mark.

Proper experienced guys leading projects and utilising the team in the best way, use the skills of the people around them to deliver projects safely, whilst nurturing new talent within a team.

 

Buy all the Tickets you want, join every association going, but you can never buy experience.

Guys need to know what’s expected of them, not be scared to ask for help, have no fear of speaking up at a briefing, and everyone should at all times feel able to just say can we stop and have another look at this first?

 

I’ve nothing to add about the video that is pretty hard to watch, I sincerely hope the guy made a speedy and full recovery, it’s a very tragic gift to guys like myself running kit in educating that could be done without manual intervention.

 

One question for me would be who’s got the phone out filming and why?

 

Eddie.

 

 

 

[spuddog0507]

30 minutes ago, LGP Eddie said:

Absolutely, that would have been played on the Truck bonnet by a few having a morning brief this week perhaps?

That’s after gathering them up, getting them off their phone, stopping them talking or looking like the Flying Scotsman pulling out of Kings Cross on a cold morning by puffing away on a vape!

All whilst the quiet one ticks all the boxes on a telephone book of paperwork that’s all put back in the ‘pack’ if you want it.

 

I’ve had enough of these generic glaze overs to know they’re generally just a routine and as long as the paperwork is done all is good to go.

 

The industry screams out for the Foreman role, someone with some respect and some bite to his bark.

No need for conflict, being asked to pack your stuff, go home and await a call is shock enough for most to realise they’ve overstepped the mark.

Proper experienced guys leading projects and utilising the team in the best way, use the skills of the people around them to deliver projects safely, whilst nurturing new talent within a team.

 

Buy all the Tickets you want, join every association going, but you can never buy experience.

Guys need to know what’s expected of them, not be scared to ask for help, have no fear of speaking up at a briefing, and everyone should at all times feel able to just say can we stop and have another look at this first?

 

I’ve nothing to add about the video that is pretty hard to watch, I sincerely hope the guy made a speedy and full recovery, it’s a very tragic gift to guys like myself running kit in educating that could be done without manual intervention.

 

One question for me would be who’s got the phone out filming and why?

 

Eddie.

 

 

 

experience you cant buy,,, nice quote that Eddie,, i tell these young lads that come with me from a collage, read all the books and sit in as many classes as you want , but you will never learn it like you will do when your out on site doing the job, what it says in a book is not quite the same as what goes on out on site, 

[Ratman]

experience you cant buy,,, nice quote that Eddie,, i tell these young lads that come with me from a collage, read all the books and sit in as many classes as you want , but you will never learn it like you will do when your out on site doing the job, what it says in a book is not quite the same as what goes on out on site, 

Think they call it “real world!”

[LGP Eddie]

12 minutes ago, Ratman said:

Think they call it “real world!”

I prefer Experienced, but if there’s a few quid more for a Real World machine Operator, I’ll give it a go!?

 

Eddie.

[TTownsend]

Yeah, good thread, lots of guys going to work the last week or so thinking more about what happened here.
 
 

Showed my boss the video last week and he got us all together one morning and we all talked through the incident and the ways it could of been avoided.

It’s a harsh reminder that we are in an industry that can be very dangerous if not approached and tackled in the appropriate manner.

[Gary Prentice]

On 22/12/2018 at 12:25, Ian C said:

! I wish the AA would sell the scheme more to the outside world rather than selling it to tree surgeons who then have to try and sell it the public. 

That's been my thoughts for years. 

 

The AA has been the industry body for many years but still has a very low profile to the public. Most people know the name of the FC but Arb Assoc just draws a blank look of incomprehension

[Jcarbor]

Yeah, good thread, lots of guys going to work the last week or so thinking more about what happened here.
 
 

Mike, that is exactly what i said about the only good thing that has possibly come out of this shocking event, please all of you think before you work, i spent years as a paramedic dealing with the aftermath of unavoidable accidents that ended in injury and death, I’m so cautious about risk. Go to work and go home as you turned up.