Use of a chainsaw without any CS certification

[petercb]

16 minutes ago, AHPP said:

So PUWER doesn’t say it and the code of practice isn’t law. There have been 37976 pieces of secondary legislation passed since 1998. If the government wanted it to be law, it would be law.

From PUWER 

 

While the ACOPs are not law, they were made under section 16 of the Health and Safety at Work Act  (HSW Act) and so have a special status, as outlined in the introduction to the PUWER ACOP:

'Following the guidance is not compulsory and you are free to take other action. But if you do follow the guidance you will normally be doing enough to comply with the law. Health and safety inspectors seek to secure compliance with the law and may refer to this guidance as illustrating good practice

 

 

 

So if you don't follow the code of practice then you would have to convince an inspector that what you do is as good as or better. Good luck with that one! Over and out. 

 

 

[Rough Hewn]

You don't have to have a license to buy a chainsaw or use one.
But you'd be fecking stupid
(Or Worse) if you were using one regularly without any training.
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[Ratman]

Fanx Rough, you just put me in the retard club! [emoji24]

[openspaceman]

3 hours ago, AHPP said:

 

Which bit says that?

 

As Petecb says it's in the ACOP and that has much the same status as the highway code, i.e. the bits in it are not law but  not following them can result in a prosecution for dangerous driving etc.

 

You are quite right though that the  legislation is not as specific as the likes of NPTC or LANTRA might  imply and so it would need a precedent set in court to establish what level of training and assessment of competence was deemed adequate other than the aforementioned.

 

We had some kiwis working for us and they had proof of training from new Zealand yet our clients would not accept  it was adequate.

[Stubby]

1 hour ago, Rough Hewn said:

You don't have to have a license to buy a chainsaw or use one.
But you'd be fecking stupid
(Or Worse) if you were using one regularly without any training.

There is no license anyway .

[westphalian]

You don't have to have a license to buy a chainsaw or use one.
But you'd be fecking stupid
(Or Worse) if you were using one regularly without any training.
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Ok, it may be semantics but I would prefer to say “competence” rather than training. A great way to become competent is to have training but a sensible head, experience, knowing limitations and safety netting also count.
Most training I have been on ( not arb related) is very expensive in time as well as money. A six hour session gives about 30 minutes solid knowledge.

[Stubby]

3 minutes ago, westphalian said:

Ok, it may be semantics but I would prefer to say “competence” rather than training. A great way to become competent is to have training but a sensible head, experience, knowing limitations and safety netting also count.
Most training I have been on ( not arb related) is very expensive in time as well as money. A six hour session gives about 30 minutes solid knowledge.

I became competent ( at least I like to think so ) by watching and working with others ( back in the 80s ). I did eventually do my CS what ever it is and found that I was doing it all wrong . I failed to snap the chain brake on at each and every opportunity . Sooo I did it how they wanted me to and passed . Then carried on being competent like before ...

[peds]

1 hour ago, Stubby said:

 I failed to snap the chain brake on at each and every opportunity . Sooo I did it how they wanted me to and passed . Then carried on being competent like before ...

Ah come on now, would you rather someone - a new hire, let’s say - use the chain brake* too much or too little? 

 

(Just want to mention that spellcheck wants to correct “chainbrake” with no space in the middle into “chai break.” I’m not going to argue with it!)

[scbk]

Don't forget to do your leafblower ticket so you can tidy up the sawdust afterwards

[petercb]

So how many of you would feel OK if next time you visited the dentist the guy said that he'd bought some gear off a certain auction site and he'd watched others doing it and the training's all crap anyway so nothing to worry about who needs certificates. Yeah right f***ing big strides down the road! 

 

I learn useful things on here to add to my knowledge and experience and learnt some new skills on my training course but as much as anything I feel good that I've tried to improve my skills. Why not have some pride in having your tickets and being a professional? 

Right tin hat time I think lol.