Stopped by VOSA

[swinny]

13 minutes ago, treequip said:

So what if the commercial vehicle is empty, that's not hauling goods?

 

The plant thing is a red herring

Read the exemptions

[Khriss]

On 16/09/2017 at 16:36, treequip said:

You are misinformed, the break away cable is to activate the brakes, its the brakes that stop it. The system is only as good as your maintenance

 

Not whilst the trailer comes off the hitch on the road - there is no misinformed , a vehicles front wheels are designed so they castor ( like a shopping trolley ) trailer wheels do not do this ( especially on a double axle trailer )  if the trailer comes off a hitch it will most likely plow into oncoming traffic or fly off into the verge ( or bus queue ) it will not stop dead - in fact it will most likely skid ! So it will not be a controlled stop , K

[treequip]

3 minutes ago, Khriss said:

Not whilst the trailer comes off the hitch on the road - there is no misinformed , a vehicles front wheels are designed so they castor ( like a shopping trolley ) trailer wheels do not do this ( especially on a double axle trailer )  if the trailer comes off a hitch it will most likely plow into oncoming traffic or fly off into the verge ( or bus queue ) it will not stop dead - in fact it will most likely skid ! So it will not be a controlled stop , K

Whatever

[treequip]

20 minutes ago, swinny said:

Read the exemptions

Are you saying the chipper is exempt because its plant?

[swinny]

6 minutes ago, treequip said:

Are you saying the chipper is exempt because its plant?

The chipper is classed as a tool for work. It clearly says under 7.5t. And driving is not main observation, within 100km from base

[devon TWiG]

3 hours ago, beechwood said:

Thanks for this, interesting reading.
Sounds like a good justification for not taking on work outside a 100km radius.
In fairness doesn't happen very often but when it does you can always see the lads faces drop at the thought of a 1.5-2hr drive to site, a day's work and a 1.5-2hr drive back.

I wonder how driving hours effects those who drive a 7.5t lorry the site, then do a full day's work and then drive back. Will they not be over their tacho hours in 3-4 days? (dependent on the length of day on site)

Regards Neil

No they will not exceed their driving hours  ( 9 per day , up to 10 hours 2x a week , extra break required , 90 hours per fortnight ).... however whilst at work on site the driver will need to leave the tacho setting on "other work " (cross hammers )  and the working time directive comes in to play here   , half hour break within 6 hours work  , including driving ... also if your driver finishes late then he must have a minimum daily rest overnight of 9 hours , before he can drive again the next day , similar sort of regulation  with weekly rest periods ( weekends ) ... if you are driving a 7.5 t and towing in excess of 750 kg then you will need C+E ( class 1 ) and CPC    ..... bloody complex all this regulations stuff  !!

[treequip]

8 minutes ago, swinny said:

The chipper is classed as a tool for work. It clearly says under 7.5t. And driving is not main observation, within 100km from base

Indeed that exemption could apply but as soon as you load any goods the exemption ceases to apply

[Ian C]

So if I'm reading this right your saying
That towing a trailer with plant on it over 100km radius from your place of business your vehicle needs a tacho?
Does this apply to any vehicle pickup transit etc?
Does this apply to chippers as well?
If it is the case
Can anyone post a link to government website that states this?

Regards Neil

Yes that's us correct , I got stopped 2 yrs ago , was just inside 100k from base so was ok, any further and it's taco time regardless of what your towing!

If your in the "show mans guild " your excluded !

[beechwood]

No they will not exceed their driving hours  ( 9 per day , up to 10 hours 2x a week , extra break required , 90 hours per fortnight ).... however whilst at work on site the driver will need to leave the tacho setting on "other work " (cross hammers )  and the working time directive comes in to play here   , half hour break within 6 hours work  , including driving ... also if your driver finishes late then he must have a minimum daily rest overnight of 9 hours , before he can drive again the next day , similar sort of regulation  with weekly rest periods ( weekends ) ... if you are driving a 7.5 t and towing in excess of 750 kg then you will need C+E ( class 1 ) and CPC    ..... bloody complex all this regulations stuff  !!

I found this which says if you do less than 4 hours driving length of duty doesn't matter.



Then the next bit says you don't need to have a tacho in!
But you can't exceed a 50km radius



As you say bloody complex!

Regards Neil

[tree-fancier123]

32 minutes ago, Khriss said:

there is no misinformed

oh yes there is - you are just wrong on this, and sometimes it is hard to admit that you were wrong - i had an LM125 Ifor that I hadn't put down properly onto  the ball hitch - it came off and the break away cable put the  brakes on, just like if the handbrake were applied, no damage done as it stopped, otherwise would have freewheeled into parked cars