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Oh oh, you're gonna have Mark J frothing at the bit at that comment.

So it seems that Rob does not understand your comments either since he states you where/are being insulting. He thinks I should not retaliate to your insulting comments with what he believes is more insulting comments. Perhaps you should clarify your initial comments and explain why you believe what you accuse Germany, the US and the West in general of is not insulting.

I’m no intention of insulting you. If you’re insulted by replies then maybe it’s your conscience being pricked. And Rob stated that you where being insulting. He just thinks that I should not offer up a rely that is also insulting. So it seems if you did not mean to be insulting it’s not just I that does not understand you.

I think it’s what we’re being conditioned to believe. Now that RT is to be banned in the UK and various hacking groups are shutting down Russian media we’re getting a decidedly one sided view of what’s going on. With the amount of blatant propaganda and lies being fed from Ukraine to the Western Media served up to us as simply bolstering the Ukrainian spirits I’m certainly not taking Putins state of mind at the face value we’re being presented with. At the same time we’ve got Biden who is clearly demented supposedly calling the shots in the US but that’s ok. 🤣

He’s allowed strong viewpoints. I’ve nothing against that, but with strong viewpoints comes strong counter viewpoints. If he’s going to come in here and claim we in the West are doing nothing to help whilst he is doing nothing to help then he should expect a retort along the same lines.

Whilst on one hand he’s blaming the West for what’s happening and also not doing enough/anything. It’s very insulting when you see what the West is actually doing to help. I’ve yet to see the world react and defend a country with such swiftness. If he feels as strongly about helping there is no visa required to pop over and do what he expects the West to do and pick up arms. I’d make a contribution to that flight if he wants.

I guess the thought of actually going to help those you hold dear in Ukraine was to much of a leap for you? Better to blame the west for not doing enough, huh?

The West, which you seem to blame this situation on is doing all the can yet you express a deep dislike for countries such as Germany and the US which without their and other Western Countries aid would leave Ukraine in a far far worse situation than they are now. There will be millions of Ukrainian refugees heading west soon, much more than already are. That means us, Europe and the West are directly helping Ukraine. If the aid being sent to Ukraine is being hoarded and stolen from the people then you need to point your finger at Ukraine and not us. And if you care so greatly about whats happening in Ukraine why dont you put your money where your mouth is and take a flight over there and fight for them? Id gladly make a contribution for your flight.

The hands of the West. Its the West thats supplying Ukraine with funding, weapons, sanctions against Russia and humanitarian aid. You attack the West yet depend on them. So perhaps don't bite this hand?

Dont bite the hand that feeds you........

Out of interest what percentage of the German population was 'Nazi' when the Party came to power?

Thank you for your insight. I think many understand that there is masses of propaganda on both side of this conflict. I find it laughable that the UK is looking to shut down RT as its the Russian Propaganda mouthpiece yet this is exactly what the BBC is. We're essentially being told what narrative we're allowed to be exposed to. I find this comment quite insulting really. The West have turned their back on Russia, they have isolated the country and are doing what appears to be everything they can to turn Russia's hand. Its the West that have sent millions upon millions in aid money, weapons and humanitarian aid. It will also be the West that takes in all the millions of refugees. That is simply not possible. You must know what would spark if NATO joined forces with Ukraine? It would be the immediate start to WW3, it would be the West declaring war on Russia and Russia's allies would have their hands forced into joining as well. We cant have yet another World War where the Catalyst is yet again a Slav nation. Ukraine is as about as far Right Wing a country as we have in the world today. Its ironic that the West which is every increasingly Left Wing has sprung to the defense of such a Right Wing country. The massive movement seen in the youth of the US and in part the UK towards openly embracing Communism seems to be completely forgotten about as they now fawn over this Slav Right Wing Country. Utter nonsense. Hugely insulting nonsense at that. On one hand you spout this crap and on the other you plead for the help of the US and the West. Make your mind up. Careful now, your hate for the West and what it stands for is showing. On the one hand I somewhat agree. Germany failed in two world wars to dominate Europe and is by and large accomplished this goal through what is known as the EU. It was only a matter of time before Germany needed some pretext to tool up again. Now the world is clapping their hands at Germany for openly stating they'll dominate Europe with their weapon spending. How short our collective memories are. Yet in light of this you want Ukraine to join NATO and the EU. If the Ukraine joins the EU it will be volunteering to be the pet puppy of Germany. The Ukraine will always be a net beneficiary to the EU, meaning they will forever be indebted to Germany and France. Is this what you want? You cant have it both ways. You cant have the Ukraine as an independent country but also one that runs to the West (which you seem to hate) every time Russia gets annoyed at them.

I guess you could say the same about any country. It’s not really about China, it’s about Xi Jinping. It’s not really about North Korea, it’s about Kim Jung-un, it’s not really about Iran, it’s about Ali Khamenei.

Yes, I firmly agree with you that they have the right to self determination. But actively asking to join an organisation that is funded by and large by the enemies of Russia is going to provoke a response. Ukraine is in the unfortunate position where it’s simply impossible to get as far away from Russia as humanly possible. They might have swung from being Leftie Commies to full blown Right Wingers but their geological location is obviously unmovable. Sweden and Finland made the wise choice to remain outside of NATO for this very reason. Don’t poke the Bear. It was a tactic that up til now has served them well. Now Finland and Sweden are spooked. If they join NATO now then I fear WW3 is inevitable. The US is literally playing the board game Risk and will have Russia surrounded. A cornered animal is dangerous as it is unpredictable.

Right. And I said that Russia is being put in an ever encroaching choke hold by NATO, aka the US. Surround any world power in such a way and they’d retaliate in much the same way.

It’s not about how large Russia’s territory is and predominantly about the ever encroachment of NATO, aka the USA on Russia’s doorstep. The US would simply not stand for the reverse happening, full stop. Yet again Cuba being a case in point.

It’s at the end of that table I expect to find Marks answer to if he’s pro-Russian or not. Oh wait a minute, is that him under it right between Putins knees?🤣

And yet again I’m not referring to the current Ukrainian conflict. So taking what’s happening in the Ukraine out of the picture are you Pro-Russia or not Mark? Your previous post all but spelled it out. So come on, be a man and stop hiding behind double speak.

The beauty of not relying on the income from timber sales is the customer can take or leave it and I could not care less. 😁 Having a day-job where I roll out of bed and walk down the stairs to the locker room certainly shields me from the increase in fuel costs.

Ok, and I was on about the far Left. You can’t answer a single one of points so you just call me a troll instead. 🤣 You’re not very good at this are you Mark? Anyway. Since we’re so clearly talking about the Far Right and the Far Left you’re now in a position to show you’re neither and answer the question. Are you Pro-Russia Mark? This will be the third time I’ve asked you now. If you can’t or won’t answer directly then your silence speaks the volumes you refuse to.

1, Not everything’s in black and white. Apart from your appraisal of what the Right believe in when it comes to Brexit, Covid Vaccinations and Russia. Ok, that makes sense. 2, Well dodged Mark. 🙄 You’d make Steptoe proud. To claim that the Right is pro-brexit is to insinuate the Left is pro-EU. To claim that the Right is anti-vax is to insinuate the Left is pro-covid vaccine. To claim that the Right is anti-Russian would indicate you believe the Left is pro-Russian. Are you Pro-Russian Mark? I’m not taking about the Ukrainian conflict. Are you pro-Russian? 3, So why single out the Right Wing Media only? Your post certainly indicated that it was a Right Wing problem and not a MSM problem right across the spectrum.

Fixed your typo for you.

Making up the bits that don’t suit me? 🤣 You just make it up as you go along. It stands to reason that the left, the very polar opposite of the right will support the opposite of what you claim the right support. So in your own words the Right is Anti-Russian. In light of what Russia is doing in Ukraine do you somehow find the Anti-Russian stance wrong? Are you pro-Russian? You claim the Right is in the thrall of the Right Wing Media yet seem delusionaly unaware that the exact thing is happening on the left.

So the left are pro-EU, pro-covid vaxx and Pro-Russia? 🤷‍♂️😳😆 Looks like you include yourself in getting mugged off by their own computers.