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Hi Gary No I didn’t know that,but for a tree to fall and crush you to death while just driving along is way a bove the law of averages and very sad for the family.just a shame,mother was in her 50’s and daughter only 16 so which ever way you look at it it’s just a awfully sad set of circumstances.

Sad news today mother and daughter killed by a falling tree on to there car in winchcombe in Cotswolds...how sad and tragic just goes to show how dangerous trees can be in any circumstances.my heart felt sympathy’s go out to the family. Tree has been removed but not sure of circumstances if Tree was compromised in anyway or just natural failure so not sure of legal consequences for land owner whether it be Council or private.?

Thanks for that buddy and yes he is coming on well.??

They look very smart bill and good value,and obviously can be used for carrying other things.how many did you get,just the one?

He his and this no disrespect to my other dogs who I loved dearly and were fab “Weaver” is probably the smartest pup I have ever had,his breeding says he should be a very good or above average working dog(his farther is field trial champion cocker Mallowdale Xfactor so if he doesn’t make the grade it won’t be his fault.

Hi Gary yes he is growing fast as they do,he does love his toys he has 2 pheasants and a duck but he’s not a ripper apart type dog just a bit of a chew. There his bit of comfort but more over he runs a round and picks them up and gives them over readally no problem.

Morning Lads and Lady’s and hope all good with everyone,glad the rain has stopped for now and we getting some frosty days,anything better then all that rain and am sure it’s affected us all in one way or another and my heart goes out to the people who’s property’s are still affected by the floods,just cause it’s not in the news at the moment it doesn’t mean it’s all been cleared as it will affect poeples lives for weeks if not months to come. Anyway just a quick up date on “Weaver” he is doing really well and coming on and growing fast,have got him on Skinners field & Trial Puppy food at mo and with Cod Liver Oil added which he loves as a lot of dogs don’t and chopped chicken every 3rd day he’s muscle mas is starting to show. have got him to sit and stay during play seasons so he doesn’t really know that it’s the start of his basic trianing,have introduced the ref whistle when making him sit and stay. Because it is a totally different sound then what he has been used to he wasn’t quite sure but after a little reassurance and a few bits of trip stick he got it,he is a very bright little dog and really pleased with him. i take my chip and wood to separate places and there is always farm animals,sheep,goats,pigs,chickens etc so all these noises and smells are all part of him growing up and getting use to different environments. Not any photographs of him out side at mo as I need to take my iPad so when I can I will start taking some more photos. here are a couple of him this morning,he already knows when we are going as he sits on the bottom of the stairs and waits. Taken On Thursday November 21st 2019 age 14 Weeks

Yes absolutely dave and why not after all we don’t live the other side of the world from each other and this is part of what I wanted to happen is to bring other readers into it be it if they are making a living from anything to do with trees/either forestry or arborists side if things or who just like to join in and make a living from doing something else,most of the ladies and gentlemen on here are spot on and have good banter and conversation and hopefully this will just make a slight change from the norm as I know how much a lot of menbers on here are massive dog lovers and just wanted to bring a little bit of fresh chat and discussion into what we do,dogs for a lot of us are our best friends and our release especially if shooting or country sports are involved as well and i will hopefully combine the two when Weaver starts coming out with me more regular,he has been coming out since I have hadn’t him but has either stayed in the truck or because he is so titchy tiney at the moment that he is under your feet without knowing he is there and I have been climbing last few days so but difficult. when he is up to the standard I want him to be at I will be planning on hopefully getting out to some invites on shoots all over the country and meet up wit fellow Arbs and or gundog guys and or ladies?

Thanks Baldbloke,all positive comments about training and the wife?are greatly received.

Hi both..yes as said at the beginning of this thread we will all have our own preference to how and why we train our dogs and obviously the whistle return and stop are really the most important of all.i started using 2 whistles right from the get go and as standard beep,beep,beep,beep for return but when I had my first dog around 38 years ago I went by the book I had joe Irving and he suggested the refs whistle and taking the pea out for the sit and stop and I haven’t changed it and have done ok. over the years I have had comments raised as why 2 whistles but when they see my dogs work it’s accepted as the way I do it. As for the quartering yes most Spaniels quarter naturally but when out you know as well has me they need to stay within or just outside that 20yd each side so a single beep when the dog gets to that distance you want him to turn back on him her herself and so on,once they get it which is pretty quick there is no need to use the whistle. Also with the stop whistle if you combine it with a bird taking off or a rabbit bolting it will soon know to sit and stop. Please don’t take this as me trying to tell any of you guys or ladies anything about training gundogs as am sure quite a few of you have forgotten more then I know i’am just trying to explain the 2 whistle combination. The only thing with the old metal refs whistle is when it’s real cold and frosty it sometimes sticks to your lips,best get a plastic one?

Ha Ha it’s him who’s doing the farting,silent but deadly ones...Anyway my Ranger is in haveing a new steering coupling fitted so good timing as the rain was biblical here yesterday so could do nothing work wise so went to see a job up in Coventry which was a nightmare. so with time on my hands for a couple of hours I decided to start buying some new training equipment for when Weaver is ready (yes I know he’s only 13weeks and I won’t be doing any intense stuff for a good while yet but just excited I guess).so brought 4 new dummies,3 canvas and one rabbit,as my old one we’re just to far gone,already had the donkken pheasant one which is still in good useable condition,cleaned off the dummie launcher but got new teal dummie,had the bag a couple of years but never used it so all good there,new portable drinking bowl and most Important the cut/wound cream which is a great addition to any working dog kit(it also works on humans)? Anyway here are a few photographs and I managed to take one of Weaver. Starting to get some kit together exspenive stuff so little bits at a time Weaver doing really well have introduced him to the whistles just now and again and he’s already responding( I use 2 whistles,standard to return,side to side and back but Acme ref whistle with pea removed for sit and stay.

Thank Guys and will do,I’ll post some more photographs next few days cause as said they grow very fast.??

Thanks for that Dave yes and being the shooting season now and hopefully some nice snowy evenings with the lads sat by there log burner,open fire,Arger etc with a tipple then get on Arbtalk and read a little piece on how a little puppy working sprocker is doing will hopefully make a nice change to some of the bickering what sometimes goes on in some posts,so fingers crossed that I can make it interesting and with some good opinions and observations coming in,but I won’t over egg the budding and make it boring by posting stuff every week,I think once a fortnight may do unless there is something worth posting.??

And yes mr Bolam totally agree and more comments and thoughts along these lines would be great.

This and This..I think this isn’t going to be a good thread like I knew it would be and hope I can do it justice and make it a good little option to read and keep up with,like I said in previous post i’am not in the same class as my old mate silky when it comes to posting photographs and wording but will do my best to make it interesting and bring more people into it,and so far it’s looking good with lots of really good comments.??

Arrrr better now exsplained,how bout fell,cut,stack and leave till ground drys out April/May/June/ unless he what’s the cord moved as soon as hits the ground?

Obviously low impact he is meaning minimum damage to any other surrounding trees and or ground cover???? So Felling is an option I guess but only if you are that good you can put a fag packet down and fell the tree on it. or get an helicopter to lift out the whole stem off a snap cut,but unrealistic really and pulling your leg as not cost affective. you could climb each tree and reduce down to 10/15 ft then fell in a safe and controlled manner,but are the trees climbable????

Are got ya there,I have got Weaver the tripe sticks which I break into small pieces,don’t make so much mess in your trousers pockets.??

Granted short sharp isn’t full on trianing but some dogs get bord very quickly when they are young as attention span can drop in an instant so in most instances short but informative training can be good...just my own opinion going by my dogs temperament and personality.

Boom...I knew that was coming...fair play I walked into that on??

Thanks Silver,A we love our dogs no matter what and am sure you wouldn’t be without him for anything in the world.

Envy you first days out and ya I guess very strange without her,thanks for your comments and even though I do know what i’am doing I would never dream of giving anyone any advise on how or what do do with there dogs and even more so gundogs as there are many a varied way of training them,I have one book I have trained my dogs from a first edition training gundogs by joe Irving. i have many more in my book case but apart from the basics they do seem to have there own way,having said that yes I would take your oldest pup out and see how she goes,it wouldn’t hurt her to see what it’s all about. ya the lead is new it’s a fab idea and you can get them in single or double,just go ebay and put gundog equipment in or leads and quite a few do them mine was hand made for a £10er. i do hope some of the Arbtalk lads and lasses will read it,I will try and keep it informative with some Arb thrown in were I can,at least when I start his training it will be in the woods we’re trees are so that’s a start?

Ani’t that the truth Gary..we has dog lover and people know how unconditional there love and loyalty is and when you spend 7 days a week with them Includeing all day at work i’am sure that bond is even stronger.

Yes your spot on stub’sy his dad is a cocker who had the broader more rounded head rather then the more pointed you mostly get and his mother springer and she is a Bute. All her pups were very pretty and all various colours and I must admit if I was able too I would have had “Weavers” sister..she had 2 White paws and a little smaller.