woodworm

Openspaceman Yes they are per tonne and they are GCV. No support fuel is required after the biomass is up to temperature from start up. (approx 3/4 hour) We heat to a very tightly controlled temperature but not as high as pyrolysis. Your last paragraph is correct.

Ok a few answers. Wood pellets/Briquettes = 4800kwh/t Torrefied wood = 6800 kwh/t We are not chopping/grinding up wood to then compact it into briquettes/chips, but are making use of the raw material produced by guys like you who have chippers and from waste materials from sawmills, all of which has already been chopped up by you guys and the mills for ease of handling. Dont knock it, it will give a value to your current waste material !! Our product has been through the carbon calculator designed for HM Government and comes through with flying colours. Torrefction is an auto thermal process. The gases released from the biomass during the torrefaction process are used as a source of fuel in the gas burner, so no fossil fuels are burned in the drying process. These gases are no longer in the manufactured product so they are not released to atmosphere during combustion making it a cleaner burning fuel. We then densify the product into either briquette or pellet form to increase the density of the fuel making transport more efficient, ie more kwh per lorry load. You therefore need less of it to produce the same amount of heat so you can either get more energy into you existing store (fewer deliveries) or have a smaller store for the same amount of energy.

Today, we took some torrefied biomass to a briquette manufacturer, and we made some briquettes out of a mixture of sawdust and torrefied biomass. This is something we will be pursuing as the results have been quite incredible. We put a few in our wood burner with a firelighter and under 15 minutes later took the photo below We will producing more of these briquettes with the same company in 2016 producing fuel for use in woodburners and chimnea's We knew torrefied biomass was good!

Steve After the gales of 87 that hit East Anglia, the FC had a yard stuffed full of logs at Brandon which they couldn't shift very quickly and they had an irrigation system on that to prevent them from going bad. I've been told some of them were as good after about 12 months as fresh felled timber. How true that is I dont know though.

I'm not, but my wife gets it right every time straight away!

At no point did I call Nick a ***** (or whatever he put behind the asterisks) and neither do I have a problem with him charging whatever he can get for the wood, but I just think that saying the wood is free and then charging a massive haulage charge is a bit odd. To put the headline of the thread as Free mixed timber and then telling a 'local' (Nick's word not mine) customer that its going to cost him £26/t for delivery is a bit steep. We are all out to make as much profit as we can and I don't blame Nick for doing so, after all, the overall delivered price is pretty reasonable but there's no need to be abusive when someone makes a comment The good thing about the forum is that it's an opportunity for people to give their opinion or thoughts. I don't think that's against the rules of the forum. At no point was I rude or abusive, but each to their own I suppose.

I don't need to say any more

Nick I can get pretty much any bulk product loaded into a lorry for £1.50/t maximum. You are charging £26/ton for what you call free wood. Even without the loading charge it would be £24.50/t. I can get chip delivered from East Suffolk to Middlesborough for £25/t which makes your local haulage charge extremely high. You gave the rate for the haulage, all I have done is to comment that I think the haulage rate based on your figures is extremely high. It may have been better if you had worded the title "firewood off cuts £15/t, delivery extra.

At £650 for a local delivery that sounds like either b100dy expensive haulage or not very free timber

Ok Its obvious you don't trust anyone in forestry, so go and speak to a large farming estate or 5 within 30 miles of your farm and ask them how they do their forestry. Ask them which contractor they use who they can trust and then go with a similar system or use their contractor, If you want to extract it yourself you can expect the harvestiing to cost you more because the forwarder will be sitting idle while the harvester fells your timber which you are going to get out yourself because you think it is a better way of doing it (it isnt). A reputable contractor will enable you to receive a good income for your timber whatever quality, and can save you a lot of hassle. Alternatively... You have already said you can get your buddy to harvest it and you can do the rest so do it, whats the problem? You have been given various answers from different people, surely one of them must be a goer?

DONT cut it all to 3m lengths. I would personally go down the route of getting a reputable harvesting contractor in and selling on out-turn. That way, the contractor cuts what is needed by himself or the mills who he will have a good relationship with, and pays you a rate for each product as it goes over the weighbridge. For example, they would pay you (these are not real prices!) £20/t for logs £15/t for bars £10/t for chip £25/t for hardwood They harvest it, they extract it, they arrange the haulage (put a camera up if you are not sure you want to trust them) and when all the wood has gone you get a nice big cheque. No hassle forestry. Your guys can then go in and underplant with young stock to create a continuous cover forestry system and prune the remaining trees to create high quality hardwoods for future harvesting and felling. You could keep any harvested hardwood with the contractor charging you a harvesting and extraction price (£15-20/t depending on the hardwood) and create a nice local firewood business to keep your guys busy during winter processing and delivering the wood.

Bit like rocking horse 5h!t fella

You need one of these MCZ Musa air 10kW pellet stove

Haven't done that but have done the Flow rider at the same venue. Dont know if it's still there but we took the kids and had a ball. Its a great venue, although as you say quite expensive but if you have a good time it's not so much of an issue.

Tell him to call Patchwork Energy and talk to Richard Brown

Did you ever do anything more with torrefied slurry?

I would definitely go for Sweet Chestnut

John is that the same as ORC?

Where abouts are you?

I would think that is very short sighted. You don't install a biomass boiler for the short term. Overall it must be costing him a lot of money to keep changing

Now that.... ......was funny! (well it was in my little world )

Best you start throwing a few prices in the loop fella so that potential customers know what its going to cost them. Broken firewood is always good.

Bird You have a well established firewood merchant with an enviable reputation based on the western boundary of the city doing over 600 tonnes of firewood a year. It is the best and most professional firewood outfit I know of. You also have another merchant based just south of Norwich with a very simlilar set up and reputation. I wish you luck in your venture, but please be aware that you have some fierce but high quality competition. Its b1@@dy hard work and a lot of sweat for not a lot of reward. Woodworm

We've lit ours tonight. Dogs have already made themselves at home!

You need to talk to Andrew Falcon of New Woods Forestry at Reymerston. He will almost certainly be able to help you and is in the area. 07774 694771 Tell him you got his number from Mike off the Komatsu tree harvester.