Making the news today....

[matelot]

5 minutes ago, WesD said:

Hmmm so you chose to ignore my Q re binge drinking and NHS, great. 

I thought I answered your question.... I think we can all agree that the NHS is in a semi permanent state of crisis. We can argue about the causes of this crisis, but the fact remains that hundreds of thousands of migrants each year does put pressure on the NHS... 

 

 

[Mark J]

23 minutes ago, matelot said:

So it's the racists that actually tried to stop the abuse in Rotherham? There seems to be a trend here that people warn of the dangers of importing different cultures and they are shouted down as being racist. 

 

Maybe, just maybe, we should actually start listening to the people that warned of Rotherham when the BBC were turning a blind eye?

No.  It's because the police didn't consider the vulnerable victims to be credible witnesses at the time.

 

Aye, there is/was a network of predominantly Pakistani origin who preyed on predominantly white lasses.  Nobody is disputing that.

 

Nonces are the scum of the earth, you need another arguement.

 

 

 

Edited March 31, 2018 by Mark J

[matelot]

9 minutes ago, the village idiot said:

There's a fair amount of truth to this.

 

There may not be a racist bone in your body, but there are almost certainly racist pathways in your brain.

 

We have evolved to be wary of people who look different. Our brains are still working to keep us safe despite the fact that global society has moved on in the last few thousand years.

 

It's what you do with this information that marks out the real 'functional' racists from the average Joe who knows better.

I look at the world. I see on the telly that Africa is in a state of permanent crisis and many Africans only survive because of charity from the West. I watch the news and I see that there is an epidemic of knife deaths within the black community in London. I listen to black music and a lot of it is about putting a "cap in your ass". I see the black community riot because a black gangster (Mark Duggan) is killed.

 

Is it really that wrong to make a judgement on a race/ culture based upon the actions of that race/ culture? I'd suggest it perfectly reasonable to judge a group of people on the actions of that group of people.....

 

[Richard 1234]

I look at the world. I see on the telly that Africa is in a state of permanent crisis and many Africans only survive because of charity from the West. I watch the news and I see that there is an epidemic of knife deaths within the black community in London. I listen to black music and a lot of it is about putting a "cap in your ass". I see the black community riot because a black gangster (Mark Duggan) is killed.
 
Is it really that wrong to make a judgement on a race/ culture based upon the actions of that race/ culture? I'd suggest it perfectly reasonable to judge a group of people on the actions of that group of people.....
 

Maybe but judging groups of people falls down many times. Because you could say “white British people” are lovely then walk through the wrong part of the local housing estate.......or bump into someone like you who outwardly looks normal in the group sense yet............. has some horrible views (with some sense in there to be fair on some things)...
You should not be judging people on race... is that not textbook racism? And yes it can easily work in lots of directions before you say it!

[the village idiot]

3 minutes ago, matelot said:

Is it really that wrong to make a judgement on a race/ culture based upon the actions of that race/ culture? I'd suggest it perfectly reasonable to judge a group of people on the actions of that group of people.....

The mistake you make is to judge all people of a certain race/culture based on the actions of a subset of that race/culture.

 

You are happy to apply the 'not all people are the same' principal to white british people, but not to other groups. This is what makes you a racist.

 

People need to be treated as individuals

[matelot]

1 minute ago, the village idiot said:

The mistake you make is to judge all people of a certain race/culture based on the actions of a subset of that race/culture.

 

You are happy to apply the 'not all people are the same' principal to white british people, but not to other groups. This is what makes you a racist.

 

People need to be treated as individuals

No one is saying that all members of a race show the exact same attributes.... However the fact remains that some races show similar attributes... 

 

The mistake you make is that you've some weird fetish to consider all races/ cultures as equal. If all races/ cultures were the same the likes of Oxfam wouldn't have spent the last 50 years begging for money to send food to Africa.... 

 

Can anyone here name many non European inventors? Maybe no one can because science is racist or maybe it's because Europeans are just better at science? I can say "Europeans are the best at science" and it's the truth! Yet people like you are offended by it! Why does the truth offend you so much? Do you wish to live in a child like world where people lie to you to make you feel better?

[Richard 1234]

No one is saying that all members of a race show the exact same attributes.... However the fact remains that some races show similar attributes... 
 
The mistake you make is that you've some weird fetish to consider all races/ cultures as equal. If all races/ cultures were the same the likes of Oxfam wouldn't have spent the last 50 years begging for money to send food to Africa.... 
 
Can anyone here name many non European inventors? Maybe no one can because science is racist or maybe it's because Europeans are just better at science? I can say "Europeans are the best at science" and it's the truth! Yet people like you are offended by it! Why does the truth offend you so much? Do you wish to live in a child like world where people lie to you to make you feel better?

Still saying the same thing in a different way I see! Well done!
I wonder what Africa would have been like now if “the Europeans” had never bothered to go there at all?
Why is our way of life so much better?
Now Africa has had some western influence and ended up with big cities they are not managing it well in the most part.
But living off the land in a beautiful part of the world wouldn’t be that bad I don’t think.

[felixthelogchopper]

[WesD]

@matelot no you didn’t answer the question you glossed over it. 

 

Binge drinker put put a strain on the NHS every weekend and it’s 100% self inflicted. 

 

Obesity is the 2nd largest avoidable cause of cancer, it’s also a massive factor in type 2 diabetes!!

 

why aren’t you interested in those subjects? Race isn’t a factor. 

 

Africans aren’t at the leading edge of science because they have had a bad start financially HOWEVER it doesn’t mean given the chance they can’t have great minds!!

 

When you look at the rest of the world and judge it do you use the same outlets you blast for not reporting Crime in the UK?

[matelot]

1 minute ago, WesD said:

@matelot no you didn’t answer the question you glossed over it. 

 

Binge drinker put put a strain on the NHS every weekend and it’s 100% self inflicted. 

 

Obesity is the 2nd largest avoidable cause of cancer, it’s also a massive factor in type 2 diabetes!!

 

why aren’t you interested in those subjects? Race isn’t a factor. 

?? The NATIONAL health service was formed to treat British people why would I be concerned about the NHS treating British people? I am concerned about the NHS treating migrants though... When the NHS is on the state of collapse...

 

4 minutes ago, WesD said:

 

Africans aren’t at the leading edge of science because they have had a bad start financially HOWEVER it doesn’t mean given the chance they can’t have great minds!!

Yeah, that's right WesD. Africans can't even build water wells without help from the outside world. However if telling yourself these lies makes you feel better you carry on! How about blaming slavery as well?