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[scotspine1]

Anyone see Jordan Peterson being interviewed by Ch4's Cathy Newman?

 

Some great common sense stuff from Peterson as usual......

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54

 

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[Vespasian]

11 minutes ago, scotspine1 said:

Anyone see Jordan Peterson being interviewed by Ch4's Cathy Newman?

 

Some great common sense stuff from Peterson as usual......

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54

 

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been covered on the Loony Left thread...   I've watched it a dozen times now..   

[scotspine1]

25 minutes ago, Vespasian said:

watched it a dozen times now..   

Douglas Murray gives a good breakdown here in The Spectator.....

 

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/watch-cathy-newmans-catastrophic-interview-with-jordan-peterson/

 

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[the village idiot]

7 hours ago, Gary Prentice said:

So Potus has passed a cognitive test! 

 

I think I'm now more concerned that it's been shown that he isn't suffering from some form of disassociation, than I was before.

Don't read too much into the fact that he passed the test Gary. The questions on these mental capacity tests are laughably easy. You can find lots of examples online. They test for certain types of cognitive function but not psychiatric fitness.

 

Trump is not demented in my view, but he is without question ethically short sighted, deluded and dangerously egotistical.

Edited January 19, 2018 by the village idiot

[TIMON]

Don't read too much into the fact that he passed the test Gary. The questions on these mental capacity tests are laughably easy. You can find lots of examples online. They test for certain types of cognitive function but not psychiatric fitness.
 
Trump is not demented in my view, but he is without question ethically short sighted, deluded and dangerously egotistical.

Which could be said of most politicians on all sides......

[the village idiot]

2 hours ago, TIMON said:

 

Which could be said of most politicians on all sides......

 

Yup. It doesn't have to be this way though, there are a few with a very different message.

 

I have posted this before but it may be new to recently joined members. Here is Trump's polar opposite, the prime minister of Bhutan. Interesting to compare it to a Trump press conference.

 

https://www.ted.com/talks/tshering_tobgay_this_country_isn_t_just_carbon_neutral_it_s_carbon_negative#t-276884

 

 

Edited January 19, 2018 by the village idiot

[Haironyourchest]

One year of Trump, US growth at 3.6%. growth under Obama was like 1.1 for 7 years. Black unemployment at all time low. Illegal border crossings down. Multinationals moving back to USA. Yeah, he's definitely cognitively impaired though, and an amoral racist...

[Gary Prentice]

11 hours ago, the village idiot said:

Don't read too much into the fact that he passed the test Gary. The questions on these mental capacity tests are laughably easy. You can find lots of examples online. They test for certain types of cognitive function but not psychiatric fitness.

 

Trump is not demented in my view, but he is without question ethically short sighted, deluded and dangerously egotistical.

I’ve seen the reported actual test and reckon most eight year olds would pass it. 

Funnily enough, most of his tweets appear to have been composed by someone of a similar age group.

[the village idiot]

13 minutes ago, Haironyourchest said:

One year of Trump, US growth at 3.6%. growth under Obama was like 1.1 for 7 years. Black unemployment at all time low. Illegal border crossings down. Multinationals moving back to USA. Yeah, he's definitely cognitively impaired though, and an amoral racist...

You have to look at the whole picture though Hairychest.

 

Trump has recently revealed plans to allow offshore oil drilling in almost all of America's coastal waters, overturning a ban on offshore drilling put in place by Obama.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/climate/trump-offshore-drilling.html

 

His rationale for overturning the ban is that it "deprives our country of potentially thousands and thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in wealth"

 

This type of rhetoric makes me very sad. America is already a fabulously wealthy country, but this isn't enough. Trump is willing to put the viability of our planet at very real risk in order to accumulate even more wealth. We all know where the large proportion of this extra profit will end up.

 

This is hideously amoral and stupifyingly selfish. Not least because he has other options, the benefits of which could massively outweigh the financial gains he so craves, if only he would consider them.

 

If America had the will and the necessary direction from the top they could easily become the dominant world power in sustainable energy production, creating 'thousands and thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in wealth' without putting the rest of the world's home at risk.

 

The World is changing, people are changing, but Trump is clinging on to some delusional vision of past national glory, sucking up the selfish into his tornado of misguided chaos.

 

Growth and national identity are not the be all and end all. They don't make people lastingly happy past a certain low level. Experiences, social connectedness and understanding one's self make us lastingly happy, extra stuff and insular thinking appears to make us happy but beyond the extreme short term it really doesn't. Trump doesn't understand this, or chooses not to. I don't think it's overblown to say that he is holding the world back. He needs to get over himself, bugger off, and let us continue to work towards a truly sustainable future.

 

Obviously it's not just Trump, but his position of immense power means we need to give him particular focus.

 

Peace. Out.

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

18 minutes ago, the village idiot said:

You have to look at the whole picture though Hairychest.

 

Trump has recently revealed plans to allow offshore oil drilling in almost all of America's coastal waters, overturning a ban on offshore drilling put in place by Obama.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/climate/trump-offshore-drilling.html

 

His rationale for overturning the ban is that it "deprives our country of potentially thousands and thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in wealth"

 

This type of rhetoric makes me very sad. America is already a fabulously wealthy country, but this isn't enough. Trump is willing to put the viability of our planet at very real risk in order to accumulate even more wealth. We all know where the large proportion of this extra profit will end up.

 

This is hideously amoral and stupifyingly selfish. Not least because he has other options, the benefits of which could massively outweigh the financial gains he so craves, if only he would consider them.

 

If America had the will and the necessary direction from the top they could easily become the dominant world power in sustainable energy production, creating 'thousands and thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in wealth' without putting the rest of the world's home at risk.

 

The World is changing, people are changing, but Trump is clinging on to some delusional vision of past national glory, sucking up the selfish into his tornado of misguided chaos.

 

Growth and national identity are not the be all and end all. They don't make people lastingly happy past a certain low level. Experiences, social connectedness and understanding one's self make us lastingly happy, extra stuff and insular thinking appears to make us happy but beyond the extreme short term it really doesn't. Trump doesn't understand this, or chooses not to. I don't think it's overblown to say that he is holding the world back. He needs to get over himself, bugger off, and let us continue to work towards a truly sustainable future.

 

Obviously it's not just Trump, but his position of immense power means we need to give him particular focus.

 

Peace. Out.

 

 

Tough questions to answer from your post VI, but in the spirit of wholepictureness....

 

There's much to agree with regarding the opportunity to reduce oil dependency versus the expansion of new oil field exploration.  But, in the absence of a reduction in oil dependency, is it better to allow disproportionate influence on world political stability through volatile foreign oil sources or to 'bring it home' where localised control, investment and employment might provide fringe benefits?

 

I'd wholeheartedly agree, and support, a serious attempt to explore viable alternatives that would reduce oil dependency.  Can't realistically see it ever coming to fruition on a single national level because the organic political systems lend themselves towards short term 'remain in office' motives rather than long term 'human' benefit.  You've only to look to the Hinckley scenario and UK power deficit to see how politicians fail on the prospect of planning past the next election.  And I don't think anyone is seriously going to try and argue that Trump is a strategic thinker in the 50-100 year time frame.  

 

Tough choices:

 

- an international effort to explore energy sources of the future, unlikely without major political shift.

- Global population control / reduction - even tougher choice but the most viable option to reduce oil dependency.

- Leave things as they are because the "shitholes" have all the oil and it would be immoral to deprive them of that little income they currently have - with all of the wealth that oil has provided to "shitholes" there aren't many that stand up as an example of equitable sharing of wealth throughout the population.

- Can we blame Trump for the failure of generations of politicians to address the issues that we currently have?  I don't think so, leastways not with a clear conscience and an open mind.

 

Still thinking.....