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[scotspine1]

Bull manure!

 

Nothing to do with policy or ideology. Thatcher and Major weren't actually that far removed from each other on policy but he acted like a fairly reasonable human being whereas Thatcher was bordering on tyrannical.

 

Everything she done, was done with maximum disruption and upset, she was so obsessed with playing up to her "iron lady" mantle that it frequently over-ruled her ability to negotiate or compromise with anyone about anything.

 

And then when she was under pressure and had to concede, it was done sneakily and behind back so she wouldn't loose face.

 

A terrible example of how to lead a country irrespective of any policies!

 

You were really excited when Kinnock did this -

 

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[wrsni]

Tony Blair built up the country, increased our wealth base.

 

Surely you're referring to what he done for himself?

 

But not the war bit obviously, oh no, make sure you get somebody else to do that bit for you.

 

Actually, come to think of it, I suppose that was one respect where him and Thatcher actually were the same. Handling things badly but making sure that others pay for it with their lives.

 

Great people!

Edited March 22, 2017 by wrsni

[difflock]

Ho Hum, one of our best(imho) Sec of State was Roy Mason, under Labour, while Wee Willy Whitlaw, flying up an down, not so much, from hazy personal remembrances.

BUT!

Mrs. Thatcher WAS what Britian NEEDED, even incl. the Falklands War.

And her tough decisions/actions during the Miners Strike.

I do however agree that as time went on she sucuumbed to delusions of Roman Emporer Invincibility (or Popish Infallibility)

 

Wor Tony, was on the other hand, was nowt but a decietful self aggrandizing clever sleekit Knave, with an even worse wife.

 

IMNSHO

Edited March 22, 2017 by difflock

[Vespasian]

Niel Kinnock was one of Labour's unsung hero's..

 

But for him, we never would of had Tony Blair promoted onto the front benches, or Gordon Brown..

 

Its because of the things he did to modernize the party that they once again became electable...

 

and if you think he was bad take a look at whats happened over the last year, we have the Tories being led by the lunatic fringe and Labour being run by a half whit...

 

things have never looked so bad...

[Vespasian]

Surely you're referring to what he done for himself?

 

But not the war bit obviously, oh no, make sure you get somebody else to do that bit for you.

 

Actually, come to think of it, I suppose that was one respect where him and Thatcher actually were the same. Handling things badly but making sure that others pay for it with their lives.

 

Great people!

 

I never did blame Thatcher for any military deaths suffered under her leadership, why should I ?.. men join up to fight if they're worth their salt anyway...

 

The difference between thatcher and Blair is who they fought, she, a penguin Island..

He, Iraq. a country the Romans and Persians even had trouble bringing to heel..

[wrsni]

Mrs. Thatcher WAS what Britian NEEDED, even incl. the Falklands War

 

Aye Mason was good, proper "Labour" man as well, although ironically would probably be considered a bit of a "right winger" nowadays!

 

Just shows how little relevance the old political classifications have to the modern world, even if so many obviously have their heads too far up their own asses to realise it!

 

But, can't agree about Thatcher. Yes, there was much to do, the grip of the unions was ridiculous, the waste of nationalised industries was spiralling out of control (I know because I served my time in one), and these two things were closely related, so a Tory government was definitely required. But someone with the character of Margaret Thatcher was NOT what was required to lead it! Mining industry, steel industry, they all needed modernising, but not wiped out! When there was opposition to the changes (as to be expected), Thatcher got her back up and all she'd then settle for was total victory, no matter what the cost to all involved. The country as a whole paid a huge price for her personal reputation, and obviously that reputation was more important to her than the well-being of the country who's best interests she had been charged to look after.

 

Falklands was something different again. Britain had been holding the door open to them in the Falklands for ages, even under Carrington since 79, in short Britain wanted rid! Of-course Argentine bungled it as well by storming in with half their army, if they'd played their cards right they could probably have had the Falklands back long ago, whereas now it's unlikely to happen within any of our lifetimes at least. But in reality, the Falklands conflict and all that loss of life was no more necessary than Iraq or Afghanistan.

[scotspine1]

Niel Kinnock was one of Labour's unsung hero's..

 

But for him, we never would of had Tony Blair promoted onto the front benches, or Gordon Brown..

 

Its because of the things he did to modernize the party that they once again became electable...

 

and if you think he was bad take a look at whats happened over the last year, we have the Tories being led by the lunatic fringe and Labour being run by a half whit...

 

things have never looked so bad...

 

Kinnock forgot his roots and firmly ensconced himself in the EU Commission like an Alabama tick. The irony of Wales and the North of England voting Brexit is too good to be true. He's in part responsible for that Vesp, just another Euro elite dictating to the proletariat via diktat disguised as regulations.

 

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[wrsni]

The difference between thatcher and Blair is who they fought,

 

With reference to Jeremy Clarkson, that's a bit like choosing the best sexually transmitted disease!

 

War is war, if your son, daughter, father, mother, best mate, whoever was killed or maimed would you really care who they were fighting when it happened?

 

What I will say regarding the Falklands is that there were many Protestant farmers living in border areas of Northern Ireland at that time who wished they'd have had even a fraction of the military effort of the Falklands put in to defending them!

Edited March 22, 2017 by wrsni

[eggsarascal]

Westminster palace in 'lock down' gun fire heard, man seen with knife.

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Westminster palace in 'lock down' gun fire heard, man seen with knife.

 

 

Any one know the whereabouts of Vesp????