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[trigger_andy]

25 minutes ago, Big J said:

UK net migration in 2022 was just over 600,000. 

How on earth can we continue to build houses and infrastructure at that rate though? Its impossible, we're an island and an over populated one at that. Even if net migration was zero it would take years to fix the housing crisis we have today. Importing 650,000 annually is absolutely the single biggest source of the housing crisis, your very own figures confirm this.

 

One of the reasons you indicated you moved away from the UK was over crowding and how much you enjoy not seeing another soul on your daily bike rides. You also regularly moan about the Rabbit Hutch Housing here in the UK and at the same time you refuse to acknowledge that a net migration of over 600,000 a year is not a significant issue in the Housing Crisis. Its mind boggling.

 

25 minutes ago, Big J said:

Immigrants having crossed the channel illegally in 2022 numbered 46,000

That's just the tip of the iceberg though, the vast majority of these illegal's are working age men. If that bleeding heart lefty who claimed earlier in this thread that 90% of them get legal status then they'll simply bring their families over and significantly swell that number. Even if we ignore the 600,000 net legals coming over we're still having to build over 40,000 just to house illegal's each year. Its a massive undertaking that will solely be placed on the taxpayer. 

 

Its little wonder you left the UK, and you sure moaned and complained about it for long enough before you finally did so, but to sit there in your relative remote piece of Swedish paradise and claim mass migration is not a serious issue is laughable. 

Edited August 31, 2023 by trigger_andy

[peds]

1 hour ago, trigger_andy said:

 illegal's 

 

The apostrophe is possesive, not plural. You aren't in Holland now, Jan.

[Steven P]

Finally realising that you are missing the point with those that cross the channel in small boats then.... They are the desperate with nothing to go home to, persecution by the regime and here to claim asylum. They do however make nice photos for Nigel Farage and the Daily Mail. Cannot make such nice photos of immigrants arriving through Heathrow Airport, looking like you or me returning from our summer holidays. That wouldn't be a sensational story would it.

 

These migrants (550,000 of them) are the economic migrants, here for the jobs and money rather than here avoid being tortured and killed,.

 

Asylum seeker probably can't be controlled, if you are that desperate you will get here anyway, but the economic migration.. directly controlled by government policies.

 

 

Noting the conflicting stories in the press in the last few years "young men coming here on boats" and "crops left in fields to rot because of labour shortages". Daily mail has no shame in its contradictions.

[trigger_andy]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

I didn't say that immigration doesn't add to housing stresses. You were pinning most of the blame on those crossing the channel in small boats, and I was just pointing out that they don't make up much of the total number.

Migration is by far the single biggest reason for the housing crisis. Highlighting that illegal immigration alone will result in the UK never resolving the situation. The fact that there is still 600,000 'legal' migrants entering the UK a year shows just how futile the situation is.

 

1 hour ago, Big J said:

mmigration certainly contributes to housing stress, but systemic failure in planning and house building by successive governments is the primary issue.

I dont agree. Having to house an extra 650,000 a year on top of the population grown at the expense of the taxpayer is an impossible task. No amount of planning could resolve this no matter the budget. 

 

1 hour ago, Big J said:

Either way, house looks nice, location is good, plot is 1/5 acre, but it's too much work and it's only had one bid so far at £7k. Even at that price, no one can really be bothered. If it was on our old lane in Devon, it'd be £300k 😄

Amazing! I wish the cottages next to be came up at that price! They needed gutting and cant even legally be lived in, holiday cottages only and they went for over £60k each. 

[Mark Bolam]

2 hours ago, Steven P said:

Finally realising that you are missing the point with those that cross the channel in small boats then.... They are the desperate with nothing to go home to, persecution by the regime and here to claim asylum. They do however make nice photos for Nigel Farage and the Daily Mail. Cannot make such nice photos of immigrants arriving through Heathrow Airport, looking like you or me returning from our summer holidays. That wouldn't be a sensational story would it.

 

These migrants (550,000 of them) are the economic migrants, here for the jobs and money rather than here avoid being tortured and killed,.

 

Asylum seeker probably can't be controlled, if you are that desperate you will get here anyway, but the economic migration.. directly controlled by government policies.

 

 

Noting the conflicting stories in the press in the last few years "young men coming here on boats" and "crops left in fields to rot because of labour shortages". Daily mail has no shame in its contradictions.

You do talk some shite.

The majority are Albanians.

 

The last war there ended in 1945.

[trigger_andy]

5 minutes ago, Big J said:

 

I don't agree, and I don't think we're going to agree. I only interjected to point out that illegal immigration plays a very minor role in the net migration figures, and to laugh at the obviously counterproductive effect of Brexit.

No, I guess we’ll never agree. But surely we can agree on the reasons you left the U.K. particularly being over-crowding, Rabbit Hutch Housing and ridiculous house prices? 
 

I really don’t see the connection between mass migration and Brexit though. What part of Brexit in your mind has resulted in an increased number of people wishing to live in the U.K.? Is it that Brexit is working and making the U.K. a more desirable place to live than say Germany with its sinking economy? 

[trigger_andy]

4 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

You do talk some shite.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s noticed. 

[Steve Bullman]

33 minutes ago, Big J said:

If you take the SE of England and London out of the equation, the rest of the UK compares very poorly to almost all of the rest of Europe.

Thats what you call cherry picking stats at its finest. I expect if you take the richest parts of Germany out of the equation and then compared Germany to the whole of the UK then you'd get very similar statistics in reverse, or any other European country for that matter. Bit laughable i'm afraid mate.

[Mark Bolam]

That’s a very reasoned post J, especially the London-centric bit.

 

As soon as anyone says they’re anti-immigration they’re always labelled as a bigot.

This is utter crap.

 

I would say the vast majority of us support the influx of skilled workers we need, and have no problem with GENUINE asylum seekers.

 

This isn’t what’s happening though, Brexit or no Brexit.

 

We need a government who will grow a set, and none of the current parties are up to the task.

 

The home-brewed 3rd generation dole scum need sorting out as well.

 

It’s all rather depressing isn’t it?

 

’Less people’ really is the answer, and that needs to start a long way from the UK.

India charging on, set to overtake China this year as the most populated country on the planet.

Adding a NET 16 million people per year to the problem.

Sub-Saharan Africans still having 15 kids when their crops have failed for the 45th year in succession.

 

And don’t even get me started on pikeys.

[scbk]

49 minutes ago, Big J said:

But I don't hold out a great deal of hope as all major infrastructure seems to take generations to get build now. For example, they started dualling the A9 from Perth to Inverness in 2011, with a target of finishing in 2025. This is where they're presently at:

 

What's so inexplicable is that much of the terrain is just open moorland. How hard can it be? 

 

To contrast, they widened the main road from Mälilla to Hultsfred (local to us), finishing December last year. It went from single lane both directions, to something akin to the A303, with mostly three lanes, new bridges etc. It took them 15 months to do 10km, which involved an absolutely massive amount of blasting through the granite. They didn't rush it. They just got it done.

2011?

The A9 dualling started in the early 1970's, long before I was born

 

They could make it safer without dualling it. The current sections of dual carriageway have plenty of accidents.

Will it ever be done, and does it need done?

Maybe they should look at ways of reducing traffic, I think it has already been proved that you can't build your way out of a traffic jam with more roads, you just get more cars.