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[Johnsond]

53 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

Not all parties/Mp’s supported all measures at all times, they where simply ignored. It wasn’t just politicians to blame, the general public played a role too, having their vaccines and towing the line like good little boys, being complicit in the whole charade.

No shit !! you know my views on the last two years and the overwhelming majority of politicians and also individuals who supported it. 

[eggsarascal]

18 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

so more of the same but with a different face at the front. 🤷‍♂️

 

People are strange. 

That seems to be the size of it, some think Starmer will set the new pace, most just seem to believe they have been betrayed. Politics here is a mile away from East Anglia. Intriguing to watch after being away for so long.

[5thelement]

10 hours ago, dan blocker said:

Firstly Europe are still trying to punish us for having the audacity to leave. They are putting every barrier that can to try and stop us being successful?

That’s a sound bite from The Daily mail right there.

Brexit has stumbled because the membership of the EU is a very complex arrangement to untangle. The British have been poor/slow in negotiations and there was never a plan in place in case the vote went Leave, Cameron simply didn’t believe it would go that way. 
The British demanded a Hard border, still haven’t sorted the problem with Northern Ireland and that’s nothing to do with EU demands.

So as an ‘English man living in England’ what benefits have you seen for the UK economy from Brexit? 
I don’t want Google’s links to Tory rags thanks, or blaming Covid, Ukraine or the EU like a 10 year old. 
Have you got any tangible benefits that you can think of, I haven’t?

And as an English man currently living in France, but an home owner with regular work in England, I have an interest in the Old Country, whatever that means?

[GarethM]

Good luck finding an unbiased newspaper.

 

Are you needing help with your emigration paperwork if it's so bad ?.

[coppice cutter]

1 hour ago, 5thelement said:

The British demanded a Hard border, still haven’t sorted the problem with Northern Ireland and that’s nothing to do with EU demands.
 

You are completely ass about face on that one.

 

The UK government has always said there'd be no hard border going back up in Ireland, yet the EU are the ones insisting that there needs to be stringent arrangements in place regarding trade over there.

 

The only ones who ever threatened to put checks in place between north and south were the EU!

[Big J]

3 minutes ago, coppice cutter said:

You are completely ass about face on that one.

 

The UK government has always said there'd be no hard border going back up in Ireland, yet the EU are the ones insisting that there needs to be stringent arrangements in place regarding trade over there.

 

The only ones who ever threatened to put checks in place between north and south were the EU!

 

What other option is there though? Given that the UK will not agree to regulatory alignment with the EU, having a soft border would effectively give a back door into the EU trading block. The UK has been trying to have it's cake and eat it, insofar as divorcing itself from any regulatory commitments but maintain full access.

It can't really work. 

[coppice cutter]

15 minutes ago, Big J said:

 

What other option is there though? Given that the UK will not agree to regulatory alignment with the EU, having a soft border would effectively give a back door into the EU trading block. The UK has been trying to have it's cake and eat it, insofar as divorcing itself from any regulatory commitments but maintain full access.

It can't really work. 

Yes, it's an issue for both sides to sort out.

 

But the EU have been exploiting it, and the RoI have been exploiting it, there is no doubt about that.

 

The Irish have been using it to stir the unification pot, and the EU are just using it to stir shit of any kind.

 

I've farming connections in the North and been following it a bit more closely than most because of that.

 

It's actually pretty shameful how the north is being abused by non-UK interests and how the UK itself is letting it happen.

 

Biased media coverage not helpful either as usual.

Edited November 24, 2022 by coppice cutter

[Big J]

18 minutes ago, coppice cutter said:

Yes, it's an issue for both sides to sort out.

 

But the EU have been exploiting it, and the RoI have been exploiting it, there is no doubt about that.

 

The Irish have been using it to stir the unification pot, and the EU are just using it to stir shit of any kind.

 

I've farming connections in the North and been following it a bit more closely than most because of that.

 

It's actually pretty shameful how the north is being abused by non-UK interests and how the UK itself is letting it happen.

 

Biased media coverage not helpful either as usual.

 

I wouldn't say that the North is being abused by non-UK interests. It feels very much to me that they are being thrown under the bus by the Tories.

 

In all honesty though, what did we expect would happen? The situation in Ireland is fragile, volatile and intractable. Pre-Brexit, the situation was a lot more stable. By the English and Welsh dragging the Northern Irish out of the EU, they'd inadvertently jeopardised the NI peace process and for no good reason.

[GarethM]

You can't wheel out the peace process argument.

Bullets and bombs didn't get them anywhere other than into stormont.

 

Swapping one stalemate for another.

 

How did the world function without the EU, the world survived perfectly beforehand.

Edited November 24, 2022 by GarethM

[coppice cutter]

58 minutes ago, Big J said:

By the English and Welsh dragging the Northern Irish out of the EU, they'd inadvertently jeopardised the NI peace process and for no good reason.

Firstly the UK voted as a whole to leave the EU, which it is fully entitled to do, sometimes people act as if staying in the EU was some sort of obligation.

 

It wasn't!

 

Secondly, if you must take the northern Irish vote in isolation, apparently it was about 55/45 so not a landslide as some would have you believe.

 

Furthermore, nationalists largely voted to stay in the EU and made up the vast portion of that 55%, yet they also mainly vote Sinn Fein who have been traditionally anti-EU and only changed their stance when they seen a chance to capitalise on the referendum mayhem.

 

So there were other agendas going on even before the referendum, and that's all been ramped up since.

 

I don't understand the most of what happens over there, sometimes it seems a different world, but I know it's nowhere near the picture painted by the EU friendly media.