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[Khriss]

@Johnson  we didnt drop many is my point ( too expensive and precise targeted) BAE systems hold the docs on all UXB in UK, yr first port for deep dig, but totally horrific on how much ordnance still littering Europe.  K

[Mike Hill]

1 hour ago, Khriss said:

@Johnson  we didnt drop many is my point ( too expensive and precise targeted) BAE systems hold the docs on all UXB in UK, yr first port for deep dig, but totally horrific on how much ordnance still littering Europe.  K

They dropped loads of them Khris.

 

I can see a former U Boat base from across the road from my yard.There is a German destroyer on the bottom of the fjord that was sunk by one and there are loads of craters on Askøy made from "Tall boys" that were jettisoned from damaged bombers,which wouldn't have made it home with a bomb load.

 

They must have dropped 50 around Bergen alone.

 

I know where there is the fuse cover from one lying in the grass. 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

1 hour ago, Youngstu said:

I had a feeling that you wouldn't agree with my points of view on this!

Shocker....  A difference of opinion is not something that should be suppressed, it should be explored.  

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Some people feel that their own "group" should be represented the most or the best no matter what

Like BLM for example?  They don't matter any more (or any less) than anyone else.

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, others feel that everyone who is a member of a society should be represented.

That's pretty much where I am - equally, without fear or favour based upon the character rather than the colour.

 

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Unfortunately representation won't always be able to fit with the local or national figures.

Quite, so everyone needs to get over it and stop crying.

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If BAME people make up 15% of the national population and that was represented in a given tv programme, that equates to 3 people in a cast of 20. Given that there are people from several different (visually identifiable?!) ethnic groups in that 15% so who do we choose to include?

If the programme is based in a large city are the producers allowed to have an ethnic make up that is similar to the place it is based (maybe 50%)?  Or if it's based in a rural part of the country can they choose to not include any people from other ethnic groups if that's typical of the population make up there? Should the TV channel have to tot up all of the people of different ethnic groups across all of there schedule to check that it is representative of the whole population? or should it be representative of the populations that most of the country live in, or representative of the populations of the greater area of the country? Each would have a very different figure. 

What sort of drivel is that?  Is there even a question in there? The article I posted reveals that there is an unequal, over representation of notable minority sectors in society and that should - by your own apparent logic - be recognised and rectified.

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With regards to "subscribing to racial/ethnic stereotypes", there are massive issues associated with social problems in particular sections of our society (not just related to race) in terms of qualifications, employment, crime without real, positive intervention in terms of education, training, mentors, role models etc those issues continue and if anything get worse which has an effect on all of those in the surrounding society

We can at least agree on that....  Can we also agree that the potential 'solutions' should actually be irrespective of, rather than governed by, association to any particular identifiable group?

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No I don't work for the LA, just keener than some to live in a diverse country where everyone can feel represented no matter where their family are considered to originate from. 

I think you might have missed the point as you took a running jump for the bandwagon....

 

The report identifies an unjustifiable over representation of 'group(s)' within the broader society.  That is unjustifiably discriminatory - go figure ?  

Edited October 13, 2020 by kevinjohnsonmbe

[Khriss]

36 minutes ago, Mike Hill said:

They dropped loads of them Khris.

 

I can see a former U Boat base from across the road from my yard.There is a German destroyer on the bottom of the fjord that was sunk by one and there are loads of craters on Askøy made from "Tall boys" that were jettisoned from damaged bombers,which wouldn't have made it home with a bomb load.

 

They must have dropped 50 around Bergen alone.

 

I know where there is the fuse cover from one lying in the grass. 

Parking battleships in fiords eh ? Wot were they thinking  ? no wonder they lost  ? K

Edited October 13, 2020 by Khriss
Why aint tbat fuse cover on ebay - quids in!

[Youngstu]

44 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

What sort of drivel is that?  Is there even a question in there? The article I posted reveals that there is an unequal, over representation of notable minority sectors in society and that should - by your own apparent logic - be recognised and rectified.

Thought I might lose you on that one! 

To put it more simply the original article states that there is an overrepresentation of minorities on TV ( in comparison to national stats) and you stated that it was completely unrepresentative of your own daily experience. I was asking what should be represented? Considering that the national picture is completely different to what I, you and ( through the calculation of an average) probably the vast majority of the population experiences in their day to day lives.

So what do you think should be represented in terms of minorities ( race, sexuality etc)?  Should it be the demographic of the country or where the programme is being made/set or ...?

[eggsarascal]

I'm not sure, way to many foreigners making there way over here... We are full!

 

Over represented... It's not what I see in everyday life.

[Youngstu]

1 hour ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

The report identifies an unjustifiable over representation of 'group(s)' within the broader society.  That is unjustifiably discriminatory - go figure

You shared the article/ report and appear (from what you've said)  feel that it is a problem that needs sorting out. Why does it matter to you if minorities are over represented on our screens compared to national figures? 

[Johnsond]

3 hours ago, Youngstu said:

It does make interesting reading, but is there really an issue with overrepresentation of minorities (is it a problem if there is overrepresentation) ?

 

If minorities aren't overrepresented then it would (as in the past) seem like the token individuals being included. 

Where we live in the country will also determine how we view this in terms of representing what we know. Living in the South West there are relatively small numbers of BAME individuals so many programmes are unrepresentative of what I see around me, but even with overrepresentation on a national level there would be people around the country who would feel that the levels quoted in the article were underrepresenting groups that they see around them. 

I would argue that in all likelihood over the last half a century minorities have generally been underrepresented on screen in particular and many minorities were probably underrepresented behind the scenes too. Considering this overrepresentation at this time could be a good thing for the general population, raising the profile and importance of BAME people in the country as a whole.  Its also considered to be very important for minorities to be visible in all areas of society so that children and adults  from those minorities see "people like them" in different roles. This is considered by many to be very helpful in improving ambitions and motivations where others from their communities are not seen to be good role models and help towards breaking cycles of crime, antisocial behaviour etc. 

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[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Mike Hill said:

They dropped loads of them Khris.

 

I can see a former U Boat base from across the road from my yard.There is a German destroyer on the bottom of the fjord that was sunk by one and there are loads of craters on Askøy made from "Tall boys" that were jettisoned from damaged bombers,which wouldn't have made it home with a bomb load.

 

They must have dropped 50 around Bergen alone.

 

I know where there is the fuse cover from one lying in the grass. 

Boat I was on recently spent a few days moored at what looked like an old fuelling berth on Askoy??, defo looked WW2 type shuttering marks on the concrete. Seen the same  in Channel Islands on old German bunkers. 

[Youngstu]

27 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

I'm not sure, way to many foreigners making there way over here... We are full!

 

Over represented... It's not what I see in everyday life.

Where?