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[skyhuck]

Ok so you say Corbyn is being smeared and miss represented, fine. Lets as I believe they say in football "play the ball, not the man"

 

Look at Labours policies and aims. You really think our country would prosper with them in power?

 

IMO, its only short sighted public sector workers, those on benefits and the ideologically deluded who vote Labour.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

7 hours ago, Mark J said:

You spent your career as a  'Yesman' for the establishment. I wouldn't expect you to get it.
However, you have said that you'd vote Green in the past.

It's only racists who think the BNP is a good thing.
Lib Dems went tits up because they lied to their biggest client base (18 - 25) about tuition fees.
People have long memories.
I'd vote green if I thought there was a chance of them winning.

In the mean time I'd vote for Labour under Corbyn, he's the only politician I've come across who comes across as honest.
In my opinion.

 

HNY Mark!

 

Yes man for the establishment? You must, at least have an inckling, that that is about as far from the reality as could be possible? Had it been true I’d likely still be “in” and playing the game at a much more senior level.  It is precisely my anti-establishment, dare to challenge, direct and undiplomatic nature that contributed to my early departure from Service under the voluntary redundancy scheme. We’ll have a beer and I’ll spin some dits one day. 

 

As to politics, or more precisely, pre-programmed political allegiances, here too we have a very early indicator of this deeply engrained anti-establishment tendency I’m trying to illustrate to you. 

 

By all of the ‘traditional’ levers of political allegiance (from a simpler, earlier, more binary era) I should, absolutely be like a stick of Blackpool rock, cut me in half and you’d find Labour written through the core.   I vividly remember a conversation with father prior to the first election in which I was able to vote - “...this is a Labour house, I expect everyone to vote Labour...”  In that respect, I can thank him for causing me to read all the manifestos prior to voting (a rather tedious and time consuming habit which has stuck with me.)

 

And that brings us neatly back to the point under discussion, playing the ball rather than the man. Personally, I can’t bear Corbyn but it’s not just him, it’s the more lunatic, more dangerous, more radical cronies that elevated and surround him. 

 

Your article presented the case that people are blinded by party allegiance rather than policy - and I TOTALLY agree, but the point I was seeking to highlight is that it is exactly that point which applies across the ENTIRE political spectrum but that the article failed (intentionally?) to highlight this. 

 

I mentiined BNP & UKIP (not to illustrate any personal allegiance) because the argument being presented in the article is perfectly illustrated when “blind tasting” of policies (most notably foreign aid, foreign policy, military) are measured against those 2 parties policy positions. 

 

So, in many respects, I agree with the over-arching concept of the article - people are stupidly aligned to political ‘colour’ rather than political promises. What I found objectionable however was the lack of balance, nefarious misdirection and blatant bias.  

 

It was, in that respect, an almost PERFECT example of the fake news and influence ops that it sought to denigrate. I would have thought you’d have seen through it rather than flag it for broader consideration. 

 

 

[westphalian]

More debacle about non existent ferry services I found in the Irish Times. Aer Lingus offered up it sister company Sea Lingus for the channel tender. PM May declined stating she had previously had a bad experience with Sea Lingus, getting into a sticky mess with Irish seamen in Rosslare.
The Irish Times editorial quite rightly says policy decisions should never be taken over a verbal conversion and should be put in writing so this sort of confusion doesn’t arise.

[Mark2]

Here’s a bit more truth am reality for you guys. Sorry !https://www.cyberguerrilla.org/blog/operation-integrity-initiative-british-informational-war-against-all-part-4/

[eggsarascal]

What's this about?

 

150 trucks set off to 'mimic' what might happen if there is a no deal Brexit, not quite... 89 trucks turned up, compared to the many thousands of trucks that could be stacked, if we believe what we are being told.

 

Mrs May really is clutching at straws. The rest of Europe must me laughing at the shambles that 'we've' made of Brexit.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-live-updates-no-deal-latest-theresa-may-vote-date-mps-conservative-lorry-labour-corbyn-eu-a8715006.html

 

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

7 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

What's this about?

 

150 trucks set off to 'mimic' what might happen if there is a no deal Brexit, not quite... 89 trucks turned up, compared to the many thousands of trucks that could be stacked, if we believe what we are being told.

 

Mrs May really is clutching at straws. The rest of Europe must me laughing at the shambles that 'we've' made of Brexit.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-live-updates-no-deal-latest-theresa-may-vote-date-mps-conservative-lorry-labour-corbyn-eu-a8715006.html

 

 

 

And there it is in a nutshell Mr ?!  They only paid them North of £500/day for that gig.  No self respecting, beer bellied, fry-up eater would bother to roll out of bed for that meagre wage...  Should have advertised in Poland, there'd have been a 1000 applicants for every job.  Bloody Brexit, it'll be the death of us.....

[Mark J]

https://www.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-defeated-by-mps-fighting-to-stop-a-no-deal-brexit-2019-1?r=US&IR=T

 

What happens next then? I think a no deal situation would be trouble. No one likes Theresa May's sketchy plan.

 

Edited January 8, 2019 by Mark J

[Vespasian]

6 minutes ago, Mark J said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-defeated-by-mps-fighting-to-stop-a-no-deal-brexit-2019-1?r=US&IR=T

 

What happens next then? I think a no deal situation would be trouble. No one likes Theresa May's sketchy plan.

 

no one is gonna allow a hard brexit..   leaving us with one option really..  staying in..   brexit extension is on the way...   

 

Corbyn seems to imagine that once May loses the vote next week he's gonna call for a vote of no confidence in the Government..   and he imagines he's gonna win it.. not a cat in hells chance..

 

I can see May undermining him by putting it about that we're gonna ask for an extension to article fifty...  even his own MP's will vote for her over him..   let the cat out the bag saying he'd allow a no deal brexit the thick c..t..

 

 

[eggsarascal]

If this is right it's well dodgy.

 

[eggsarascal]