Making the news today....

[Will Heal]

A death is a death, a form of suffering dont you think? and we (most of us) eat meat. ?‍♂️

No. A death is a death yes, there’s no denying that but put yourself in the animals shoes. You get put in a lorry on the farm where you grew up, taken to an abattoir, not to bad so far as you don’t know what is is going on, even though you are stressed and worried, herded of the lorry into a factory. Would you then like to be put straight out with a bullet to the brain or have your throat cut. There is no need for this. It’s just fucking cruel. I have no problem farming and killing animals for food but do it in the quickest way possible for fucks sake

[Ratman]

No. A death is a death yes, there’s no denying that but put yourself in the animals shoes. You get put in a lorry on the farm where you grew up, taken to an abattoir, not to bad so far as you don’t know what is is going on, even though you are stressed and worried, herded of the lorry into a factory. Would you then like to be put straight out with a bullet to the brain or have your throat cut. There is no need for this. It’s just fucking cruel. I have no problem farming and killing animals for food but do it in the quickest way possible for fucks sake

Read my posts furthur on Will, i agree from both sides, and was raised on a farm so again see both sides.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

8 hours ago, Gary Prentice said:

4 migrants? There. Was 40 alone recorded on Christmas Day.

 

one boat, containing 4 or 5 migrants was picked in French waters, and then bought to the UK. Maybe Mr Johnson can explain how that works?

Which bit Mr P?

 

The fake news figures or the duty placed upon all at sea (under international maritime law - UNCLOS) where it is safe to do so, to assist those in distress (imminent peril) where imminent peril is described under the SOLAS convention. 

 

Bit of a shambles really where well intentioned international conventions are being exploited by those that purposefully, intentionally and often criminally set out to exploit that which was never envisioned as being applied in such a manner so as to short circuit normal immigration processes. 

 

The answer - pick em up and set em back from whence they came. Maybe then the message will get out and the ‘victims’ will stop giving their money to organised crime and international terrorists....

 

 

 

[TIMON]

Our charity provides opportunities for homeless and addicted people to have a safe, clean , caring environment. I gave one of our flyers to a homeless girl the other day. It was obvious she had been homeless and sleeping rough for a long time. She declined the offer of help because she earned too much begging every day. We were holding a bucket collection right near where she was sat with all her duvets and bags by a cash point outside a Sainsbury’s. I watched a steady stream of people give her food, drinks, wads of cash etc... we were there all week and I saw a pattern emerge. Every couple of hours a guy in a hoodie with a staffy would appear and she very quickly left her spot and disappeared with this guy for half an hour or so only to return, semi-conscious and begin the process all over again.
She told me that she had a daughter but she was being looked after by her mum. She was spending about £200 - £300 a day on her habit, had no veins left and was injecting into her groin where she had multiple abscesses.
On Christmas Eve her mum turned up and begged her to come home and spend Christmas with her little girl. She started yelling and screaming at her mum (it was horrible). Then the guy with the pit bull turned up again and she disappeared sharpish.
It made me ask myself some very searching questions. We even had people come to our pitch and tell us; “I hope you’re going to give some of that money you’ve collected to that girl’.
I did give her a few quid and some food and a hot drink but only so I could open up some dialogue and tell her about our charity.
She really didn’t want to know.
It’s easy to point the finger at the dealer, but that day I asked myself,
“Who were the real villains of the piece?”
The mum?
The dealer?
The authorities?
Or the people who walked home that night feeling self satisfied that they had given £10 or £20 to help a homeless girl?

[eggsarascal]

13 minutes ago, TIMON said:

Our charity provides opportunities for homeless and addicted people to have a safe, clean , caring environment. I gave one of our flyers to a homeless girl the other day. It was obvious she had been homeless and sleeping rough for a long time. She declined the offer of help because she earned too much begging every day. We were holding a bucket collection right near where she was sat with all her duvets and bags by a cash point outside a Sainsbury’s. I watched a steady stream of people give her food, drinks, wads of cash etc... we were there all week and I saw a pattern emerge. Every couple of hours a guy in a hoodie with a staffy would appear and she very quickly left her spot and disappeared with this guy for half an hour or so only to return, semi-conscious and begin the process all over again.
She told me that she had a daughter but she was being looked after by her mum. She was spending about £200 - £300 a day on her habit, had no veins left and was injecting into her groin where she had multiple abscesses.
On Christmas Eve her mum turned up and begged her to come home and spend Christmas with her little girl. She started yelling and screaming at her mum (it was horrible). Then the guy with the pit bull turned up again and she disappeared sharpish.
It made me ask myself some very searching questions. We even had people come to our pitch and tell us; “I hope you’re going to give some of that money you’ve collected to that girl’.
I did give her a few quid and some food and a hot drink but only so I could open up some dialogue and tell her about our charity.
She really didn’t want to know.
It’s easy to point the finger at the dealer, but that day I asked myself,
“Who were the real villains of the piece?”
The mum?
The dealer?
The authorities?
Or the people who walked home that night feeling self satisfied that they had given £10 or £20 to help a homeless girl?


 

..... And you concluded?

[Ratman]

Our charity provides opportunities for homeless and addicted people to have a safe, clean , caring environment. I gave one of our flyers to a homeless girl the other day. It was obvious she had been homeless and sleeping rough for a long time. She declined the offer of help because she earned too much begging every day. We were holding a bucket collection right near where she was sat with all her duvets and bags by a cash point outside a Sainsbury’s. I watched a steady stream of people give her food, drinks, wads of cash etc... we were there all week and I saw a pattern emerge. Every couple of hours a guy in a hoodie with a staffy would appear and she very quickly left her spot and disappeared with this guy for half an hour or so only to return, semi-conscious and begin the process all over again. She told me that she had a daughter but she was being looked after by her mum. She was spending about £200 - £300 a day on her habit, had no veins left and was injecting into her groin where she had multiple abscesses.

On Christmas Eve her mum turned up and begged her to come home and spend Christmas with her little girl. She started yelling and screaming at her mum (it was horrible). Then the guy with the pit bull turned up again and she disappeared sharpish.

It made me ask myself some very searching questions. We even had people come to our pitch and tell us; “I hope you’re going to give some of that money you’ve collected to that girl’.

I did give her a few quid and some food and a hot drink but only so I could open up some dialogue and tell her about our charity.

She really didn’t want to know.

It’s easy to point the finger at the dealer, but that day I asked myself,

“Who were the real villains of the piece?”

The mum?

The dealer?

The authorities?

Or the people who walked home that night feeling self satisfied that they had given £10 or £20 to help a homeless girl?

 

 

 

 

 

The child is the biggest victim, the villan is the childs mother firstly with the dealer a close second. IMO

 

[Mick Dempsey]

That’s quite a tale Timon.

 

Terrible stuff smack.

 

 

[Vespasian]

39 minutes ago, TIMON said:

“Who were the real villains of the piece?”
The mum?
The dealer?
The authorities?
Or the people who walked home that night feeling self satisfied that they had given £10 or £20 to help a homeless girl?


 

Every single one of them...   and the one you failed to mention, the girl herself.

 

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

2 hours ago, TIMON said:

Our charity provides opportunities for homeless and addicted people to have a safe, clean , caring environment. I gave one of our flyers to a homeless girl the other day. It was obvious she had been homeless and sleeping rough for a long time. She declined the offer of help because she earned too much begging every day. We were holding a bucket collection right near where she was sat with all her duvets and bags by a cash point outside a Sainsbury’s. I watched a steady stream of people give her food, drinks, wads of cash etc... we were there all week and I saw a pattern emerge. Every couple of hours a guy in a hoodie with a staffy would appear and she very quickly left her spot and disappeared with this guy for half an hour or so only to return, semi-conscious and begin the process all over again.
She told me that she had a daughter but she was being looked after by her mum. She was spending about £200 - £300 a day on her habit, had no veins left and was injecting into her groin where she had multiple abscesses.
On Christmas Eve her mum turned up and begged her to come home and spend Christmas with her little girl. She started yelling and screaming at her mum (it was horrible). Then the guy with the pit bull turned up again and she disappeared sharpish.
It made me ask myself some very searching questions. We even had people come to our pitch and tell us; “I hope you’re going to give some of that money you’ve collected to that girl’.
I did give her a few quid and some food and a hot drink but only so I could open up some dialogue and tell her about our charity.
She really didn’t want to know.
It’s easy to point the finger at the dealer, but that day I asked myself,
“Who were the real villains of the piece?”
The mum?
The dealer?
The authorities?
Or the people who walked home that night feeling self satisfied that they had given £10 or £20 to help a homeless girl?


 

Moody post that Ti (and Gary’s earlier one about personal efforts to help someone)

 

Maybe the ‘answers’ don’t come from central government but from personal actions. 

[tree-fancier123]

12 hours ago, Gary Prentice said:

4 migrants? There. Was 40 alone recorded on Christmas Day.

so surely it is fair for the government to call it a crisis - its an invasion in my mind. After a few weeks of 40 a day this is another few thousand bods hoovering up our debt funded handouts