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[Capetown]

I take it you don’t live in London BillQ?

[Josey Wales]

1) Steven P is correct in pointing out that since we left the EU we also left the Dublin Regulations whereby someone crossing the Channel 'could' be returned to the first 'safe' country they arrived in.

Is it coincidence the numbers of those attempting to cross the Channel rose sharply in 2020 when we formally left?

2) Yes, tree-fancier123 is correct that migrant numbers are on the up due to global events, but two things can both be true at the same time. Brexit has exacerbated it, especially as regards to returning those who have crossed the Channel! This is further underlined by....

3) .....Johnsond's post whereby the French are waving off those in dinghies with a 'Bon Voyage'!

Since we left the EU to 'take back control' of our borders, why should the French care who leaves their own borders when the numbers of those claiming asylum there, as in most of Europe, are far higher than those claiming asylum in the UK? Or did we 'take back control' as long as the French would do it for us? Before, when we were both members of the EU, it was a shared border, with shared responsibilities and a reason to work together. Not anymore.

I can imagine more than a few Frenchmen having a good chuckle at this thread. 'Bon Voyage' indeed!

4) As ever, the numbers of immigrants (across Europe and including the UK) coming over legally on work visas to work in the NHS, construction etc, is far higher than those crossing the channel, both under the current Labour administration and under the last Conservative one. This is the point Sime42 is trying to make.

5) On this last point, if you think this would be any different under Reform, then Linden Kemkaren, a Reform county councillor in Kent clearly did not get the memo, as this last week she wrote to the government to express her 'grave concern' about the possible exodus of care staff from overseas, y'know, the immigrants that are coming over here taking all our jobs.  

[Oldfeller]

ya'll keep feckin' whining about Brexit, and world events, and nhs, and boats, ad infinitum labor, Tories ,reform, who's to blame,, he said, she said ,

but the simple fact is this country has been ****************t for decades, every government has all the feckin' answers, and decries everything anyone else is doing or whining about about what they ain't doing, but come election time the same old bullshite gets everyone thinking it's all gonna change this time, but it doesn't,, mainly because nobody is held accountable, in many countries you aren't liked enough, some nutjob or patsy will end you. feck me some counties will shoot the goalkeeper of their football team for letting too many goals in the net, 

this country,you ****************up you get a feckin' nighthood , or a cushy seat in the house of lords. you get caught at your place of work asleep, of shagging the secretary,partying, or fiddling the expenses, or minors, it's a feckin' joke,  watching these feckin' clowns in government is like a cheap end of the pier circus show, jeering and trying to get one up on the opponent from the other side of the house.

While the country goes further and further down the shitter.

everyone at each other over immigration, of course there's people from all over the world wanna come here, were all too feckin' dumb to sort the good from the bad. too scared to point anything out as it results in a few twats who think they can shut you down with cries and bleats of "racist" and "fascist"

and a whole range of labels. 

I'm too old to care about when the cack finally hits the rotors, and it will, I'll thankfully be ash by that time.

in the meantime if any fool thinks writing a feckin' letter to a bunch of clowns who couldn't care less about you, or even aware of your existence is gonna change anything,, go ahead knock yer sen out. 

 

Edited July 17 by Oldfeller

[Stubby]

19 minutes ago, Oldfeller said:

ya'll keep feckin' whining about Brexit, and world events, and nhs, and boats, ad infinitum labor, Tories ,reform, who's to blame,, he said, she said ,

but the simple fact is this country has been ****************t for decades, every government has all the feckin' answers, and decries everything anyone else is doing or whining about about what they ain't doing, but come election time the same old bullshite gets everyone thinking it's all gonna change this time, but it doesn't,, mainly because nobody is held accountable, in many countries you aren't liked enough, some nutjob or patsy will end you. feck me some counties will shoot the goalkeeper of their football team for letting too many goals in the net, 

this country,you ****************up you get a feckin' nighthood , or a cushy seat in the house of lords. you get caught at your place of work asleep, of shagging the secretary,partying, or fiddling the expenses, or minors, it's a feckin' joke,  watching these feckin' clowns in government is like a cheap end of the pier circus show, jeering and trying to get one up on the opponent from the other side of the house.

While the country goes further and further down the shitter.

everyone at each other over immigration, of course there's people from all over the world wanna come here, were all too feckin' dumb to sort the good from the bad. too scared to point anything out as it results in a few twats who think they can shut you down with cries and bleats of "racist" and "fascist"

and a whole range of labels. 

I'm too old to care about when the cack finally hits the rotors, and it will, I'll thankfully be ash by that time.

in the meantime if any fool thinks writing a feckin' letter to a bunch of clowns who couldn't care less about you, or even aware of your existence is gonna change anything,, go ahead knock yer sen out. 

 

I have thought the above for a number of years now . I am currently enjoying a lovely liver and bacon casserole with onion gravy and mash .  

Edited July 17 by Stubby

[Johnsond]

59 minutes ago, Josey Wales said:

Steven P is correct in pointing out that since we left the EU we also left the Dublin Regulations whereby someone crossing the Channel 'could' be returned to the first 'safe' country they arrived in.

Is it coincidence the numbers of those attempting to cross the Channel rose sharply in 2020 when we formally left?

You sure 

 

Edited July 17 by Johnsond

[Oldfeller]

29 minutes ago, Stubby said:

I have thought the above for a number of years now . I am currently enjoying a lovely liver and bacon casserole with onion gravy and mash .  

One of my favorites too.

[Mick Dempsey]

 

 

we both love soup…

 

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But I bet it's the French general in Sharpe.

[Josey Wales]

Hi Johnsond - Never said the Dublin Agreement was a roaring success, rather that there was a facility to return migrants that no longer exists. It worked both ways in that the UK was also responsible for asylum seekers in other parts of the EU who had family members already in the UK. Numbers of returns were indeed low......but a damn sight higher than currently! 

My main point, in trying to be as brief as possible, was that as limited as it was, it was still a way to return people that we no longer have. Numbers of boat crossings have increased since 2020 when we formally left the EU. Add that with the French waving the boats off as there is no longer a shared EU border...and hey presto, it just got even easier to get to the UK! Nothing exists in isolation, rather a series of events combined once we left the EU to make it more worthwhile to try.

P.S. I'm getting the distinct impression we need to change the subject to soup!

[sime42]

6 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

we can't stop the boats because of all the politicians who think like SP and sime42

 These people dont want to be negative about the incoming sapiens

 

 

That's an odd conclusion. I wish even some politicians thought like me to be honest, the country would be a better place indeed. IMO obviously!

 

I was merely countering a ridiculous claim made the other day: that illegal immigrants, that arrived yesterday, are somehow breaking our NHS. Since I'd just had first hand experience of the situation. They're not. The NHS is clearly fooked, but it's not because of them. Obesity, creeping privatisation, piss poor management, a broken social care system, an aging and increasingly unhealthy population and a whole host of other issues are doing far more damage than illegal immigrants. That's just fake news for the hard of comprehension to lap up.

 

I'm not against being negative about sapiens of any flavour. Of course there'll be wrong 'uns and idle 'uns among immigrants, (legal and illegal), and if we had a properly functioning immigration system in the UK then we could and should be keeping them out. I'm not buying the idea that there's a higher proportion though, compared to our indigenous population. I'd wager that their average work ethic is better than that of our own cohort of bloated benefit bums. We don't see many British people working their arses off for a pittance doing hard or tedious graft like fruit picking/car washing/caring/parcel delivery work/nail bars/hospital cleaning etc etc. It's far easier just to sit at home on benefits.