Making the news today....

[Steven P]

I think it was the BBC news this week, this might be uncomfortable reading for some of you. 

 

Something like 45% of grooming gangs in the UK are white, about 15% Asian and about 15% black. The others aren't specified. The data is about 5 years old - so the 2 biggies in the last couple of years might have skewed that figure. I think the study was about 1300 perpetrators (I'm assuming those that have been convicted).

 

And this is exactly the point. "Where are all the reports of all these white men grooming and gang raping children". They aren't being reported. But since Rotherham and Oldham are Asians then the more racist press, The Daily Mail and Telegraph ARE reporting it, Musk has picked up on it, the politicians are talking about it, it has pricked up an interest here because it is Asians committing the crimes in the news. 

 

Uncomfortable as it might be to you all, but grooming gangs are not exclusively Muslims. You can argue as much as you like, bury your heads in the sand as deep as you want but these are the figures the survey found.

 

The problems with this is that the press, and others, are getting away with their casual racism but also spreading a narrative around the country that the white man (mostly man) does not commit these crimes. If we believe that the crimes are exclusive to one segment of society we'll turn a blind eye to others - because the trusted press tells us this is how it is.

 

Out of the other grooming offences and crimes against children, Epstein is a parallel working closely with Maxwell but most of those who also flew on his private jet. I think this is the most high profile one I can bring up to highlight that it is not a crime segregated by race, religion or nationality.

[monkeybusiness]

16 minutes ago, Steven P said:

I think it was the BBC news this week, this might be uncomfortable reading for some of you. 

 

Something like 45% of grooming gangs in the UK are white, about 15% Asian and about 15% black. The others aren't specified. The data is about 5 years old - so the 2 biggies in the last couple of years might have skewed that figure. I think the study was about 1300 perpetrators (I'm assuming those that have been convicted).

 

And this is exactly the point. "Where are all the reports of all these white men grooming and gang raping children". They aren't being reported. But since Rotherham and Oldham are Asians then the more racist press, The Daily Mail and Telegraph ARE reporting it, Musk has picked up on it, the politicians are talking about it, it has pricked up an interest here because it is Asians committing the crimes in the news. 

 

Uncomfortable as it might be to you all, but grooming gangs are not exclusively Muslims. You can argue as much as you like, bury your heads in the sand as deep as you want but these are the figures the survey found.

 

The problems with this is that the press, and others, are getting away with their casual racism but also spreading a narrative around the country that the white man (mostly man) does not commit these crimes. If we believe that the crimes are exclusive to one segment of society we'll turn a blind eye to others - because the trusted press tells us this is how it is.

 

Out of the other grooming offences and crimes against children, Epstein is a parallel working closely with Maxwell but most of those who also flew on his private jet. I think this is the most high profile one I can bring up to highlight that it is not a crime segregated by race, religion or nationality.

Got any links??

[Welshfred]

8 minutes ago, monkeybusiness said:

Got any links??

Or Lynx?

 

Couldn't resist...

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, monkeybusiness said:

Got any links??

 

Yes, I usually have a reliable resource. Think it was this article I was reading:

Grooming gangs and ethnicity: What does the evidence say?

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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Home Secretary Suella Braverman made several comments about the ethnicity of some high-profile gangs.

 

[sime42]

 

 

[Mike Hill]

2 hours ago, Steven P said:

I think it was the BBC news this week, this might be uncomfortable reading for some of you. 

 

Something like 45% of grooming gangs in the UK are white, about 15% Asian and about 15% black. The others aren't specified. The data is about 5 years old - so the 2 biggies in the last couple of years might have skewed that figure. I think the study was about 1300 perpetrators (I'm assuming those that have been convicted).

 

And this is exactly the point. "Where are all the reports of all these white men grooming and gang raping children". They aren't being reported. But since Rotherham and Oldham are Asians then the more racist press, The Daily Mail and Telegraph ARE reporting it, Musk has picked up on it, the politicians are talking about it, it has pricked up an interest here because it is Asians committing the crimes in the news. 

 

Uncomfortable as it might be to you all, but grooming gangs are not exclusively Muslims. You can argue as much as you like, bury your heads in the sand as deep as you want but these are the figures the survey found.

 

The problems with this is that the press, and others, are getting away with their casual racism but also spreading a narrative around the country that the white man (mostly man) does not commit these crimes. If we believe that the crimes are exclusive to one segment of society we'll turn a blind eye to others - because the trusted press tells us this is how it is.

 

Out of the other grooming offences and crimes against children, Epstein is a parallel working closely with Maxwell but most of those who also flew on his private jet. I think this is the most high profile one I can bring up to highlight that it is not a crime segregated by race, religion or nationality.

 

Steven

 

Statistical ratification will not change the blatant fact that Keir must deal with the matter at hand. He either comes down hard on this or effectively " green lights" other abusers.Of which according to you there are many?

 

England deserves better than a proxy nonce career knee bender.

 

 

[Mr. Squirrel]

1 hour ago, sime42 said:

 

 

I liked this one, he hit the nail on the head with the point that Musk is exploiting the victims of childhood abuse. He’s an utter scum bag. He doesn’t even do anything of value, I bet he’d never had an original idea in his life. 
 

Farage is a spineless streak of piss but even so it’s embarrassing to see him getting his knickers in a twist for his American friends. 

[peds]

[Steven P]

10 hours ago, Mike Hill said:

Statistical ratification will not change the blatant fact that Keir must deal with the matter at hand. He either comes down hard on this or effectively " green lights" other abusers. Of which according to you there are many?

 

England deserves better than a proxy nonce career knee bender.

 

 

 

This is true, the laws need to be up to the standards we demand, must be suitable and applied properly and fairly to all. If they are found to be lacking then amend them or make new laws. I think Labour picking up recommendations of an enquiry (commissioned and then ignored by the Tory party) is a good first step to updating them.

 

Noting that the 'proxy' leader in his time at the CPS implemented procedural changes and so on which saw a stepped increase in prosecutions of grooming gangs and child sex exploitation. Jess Philips has always campaigned on the same issues (as well as other abuses towards girls and women). I think we'll see a slow and steady increase and tightening of legislation along these lines over the next 4 years (and in my view surpassing the Tory parties legislation for all the time they were in office). This is a good thing.

 

 

(You'll maybe disagree here, but copy and pasting links from any papers, Linkedin, Facebook, Bebo or where ever, bypassing the brains thinking "Is this the full story, is there a hidden agenda" just reinforces the racist stereotypes and agenda of the sources, adds to the perception that the crimes are only carried out by foreigners... because it furthers an agenda... and that sells more papers... profiting politically from anothers suffering is never a good thing... )

[Johnsond]

12 hours ago, Steven P said:

 

Yes, I usually have a reliable resource. Think it was this article I was reading:

Grooming gangs and ethnicity: What does the evidence say?

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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Home Secretary Suella Braverman made several comments about the ethnicity of some high-profile gangs.

 

Yep and what a source it is.