Making the news today....

[GarethM]

Look at the numbers - 70% of UK land in intensive agriculture, 56% species denudation. You don't have to be Sir John Curtice to run the numbers.

 

Erm, wtf is that actually supposed to mean?. If it means that field of beans has zero other plants to steal it's nutrients, erm yes.

[openspaceman]

27 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

 

If farmers are NOT responsible then who the f*ck is?

All of us that benefited from the science and technology that has developed in the last 100 years

27 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

 

 

 

, the agricultural sector (on a macro level) is an exploitative, capitalist industrial process extracting and exploiting resource for personal profit.

That is the function of business in a capitalist society, not that I agree with it it is just the way it is

 

 

Happy new year you true blue but  pinko socialist 🙂

[GarethM]

Thought the term was watermelons, green on the outside and red on the inside.

 

I would be interested in knowing the global impact of not sorting out the Aral sea. Sod UK agriculture being the problem when a litteral inland ocean is gone.

Edited December 29, 2022 by GarethM

[coppice cutter]

31 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Let's not fall out over it, it seems to me we have more to agree about that you seem to want to disagree with....  😉 

 

It was you who set the tone, an unconventional farmer I may now be, but I'm still a farmer.

 

Therefore, you attack farmers as a collective, you attack me.

 

Yes indeed the farming industry "is an exploitative, capitalist industrial process extracting and exploiting resource for personal profit", but the average farmer is no more responsible for this than the Amazon delivery driver is for their dodgy tax avoidance, or the Tesco/Sainsburys/Waitrose/Morrisons shelf stacker is for their consumer manipulation, or the McDonalds/Burger King burger flipper is for the poor health of a nation poisoned by junk food. Yet they don't get the blame, indeed they more often get sympathy for having no choice but to go with the flow. The average farmer is in the same position, yes some earn more and have more toys to play with, but the situation is the same, you have dependants and nobody is going to thank you for being a homeless, bankrupt, maverick.

 

OK, so I broke the mould but I'm thick, pig-headed, and had personal reasons for going off on my tangent, but I'm also fully aware that without huge changes at all levels of the food industry it is not scaleable.

 

As for "Red Tractor", most farmers detest it, as it is a pen-pushers job creation scheme with no appreciable benefit to anyone other than those administering the scheme itself.

 

I assume you've no skin in the game because if you did you'd have a greater understanding of the actual "game" than you appear to have.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

24 minutes ago, coppice cutter said:

It was you who set the tone, an unconventional farmer I may now be, but I'm still a farmer.

 

Therefore, you attack farmers as a collective, you attack me.

 

Yes indeed the farming industry "is an exploitative, capitalist industrial process extracting and exploiting resource for personal profit", but the average farmer is no more responsible for this than the Amazon delivery driver is for their dodgy tax avoidance, or the Tesco/Sainsburys/Waitrose/Morrisons shelf stacker is for their consumer manipulation, or the McDonalds/Burger King burger flipper is for the poor health of a nation poisoned by junk food. Yet they don't get the blame, indeed they more often get sympathy for having no choice but to go with the flow. The average farmer is in the same position, yes some earn more and have more toys to play with, but the situation is the same, you have dependants and nobody is going to thank you for being a homeless, bankrupt, maverick.

 

OK, so I broke the mould but I'm thick, pig-headed, and had personal reasons for going off on my tangent, but I'm also fully aware that without huge changes at all levels of the food industry it is not scaleable.

 

As for "Red Tractor", most farmers detest it, as it is a pen-pushers job creation scheme with no appreciable benefit to anyone other than those administering the scheme itself.

 

I assume you've no skin in the game because if you did you'd have a greater understanding of the actual "game" than you appear to have.

OK, right-o. 
 

you recognise how crap CAP is / was, so much so that you voluntarily chinned it off, but my lack of understanding is the problem….

 

Right-o. I’ll draw a line under it there….

[Johnsond]

China’s Covid nightmare is the final proof: lockdowns were a total failure

WWW.TELEGRAPH.CO.UK

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Sweden’s refusal to impose compulsory shutdowns has now, by contrast, been completely...

😞An excellent and very honest article. So true and yet sad because in reality it’s a bloody catastrophe that could have been easily avoided, in particular the closing of schools at the behest of the unions.  At least the author has the strength of character to admit he was wrong himself. Those responsible should hang their heads in shame. Those who bought into it should be demanding answers from the aforementioned and apologising wholeheartedly to anyone who was vilified, abused and even unbelievably convicted and fined during the whole sorry show. 
The word Moonbat is probably more applicable to those whom were duped rather than those who used a bit of the old grey matter and simply threw in some critical thinking along the way rather than believe every line of shit they were fed.  

Edited December 29, 2022 by Johnsond

[trigger_andy]

20 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

Ever the optimist, trig.

 

Ok Eggs I’ll bite. I’ve no idea how you’ve attributed this nonsensical comment to what I’d stereotypically post. 

[Johnsond]

On 28/12/2022 at 20:35, scbk said:

 

After he fell from his hotel room window, Indian police have been asked if the Kremlin was involved in the death of Russian "Sausage Tycoon" Pavel Antov.

 

The superintendent responded "All we can say is, we haven't found any links"

Sudden Russian Death Syndrome

APPLE.NEWS

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It’s not a great time to be an oligarch who’s unenthusiastic about Putin’s war in Ukraine.

Everything’s got a name nowadays 😳

[trigger_andy]

Thorpe pesky moonbats getting it right yet again. 
 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

1 minute ago, trigger_andy said:

Thorpe pesky moonbats getting it right yet again. 
 

 

 

Yeah, 

 

“Unfortunately true” 

 

Its like it should be the title of an Oasis anthem with a 2022 theme….

 

Or unprecedentedly shit as a B side track.