Making the news today....

[DanHorrich87]

5 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

By all means control the numbers, but do so humanely. 

 

4 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

the local estates go together and shot alot of foxes... When the population builds again they will go out and have another humane cull.

 

Please qualify what you mean by "humane". Many hunters have a strong sense of custodianship. You seem to use "humane" in terms of managerial cost-benefits and clean efficiency which many would say is limiting in outlook, even reductive.

[trigger_andy]

39 minutes ago, DanHorrich87 said:

 

Please qualify what you mean by "humane". Many hunters have a strong sense of custodianship. You seem to use "humane" in terms of managerial cost-benefits and clean efficiency which many would say is limiting in outlook, even reductive.

Humane as in a clean shot and not an intentionally prolonged death, for example traps, poison or getting ripped to shreds by a pack of hounds. 
 

I hope this resolves your confusion.  
 

 

[Commando]

1 hour ago, trigger_andy said:

BS. How many working class people can afford that kind of lifestyle? Horses, Poncy get-up's, the Dogs, the Dogs training, the land. You're delusional if you think its a sport for the common man. They may well tolerate a few peasants joining them to have a veneer of being for the people but thats about it. 

Are you a toff Andy? You have plenty of money as you keep telling everyone.

Lets agree to disagree, as was stated earlier its an emotive subject (and you clearly have no idea what hunting is all about).

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Commando said:

Are you a toff Andy? You have plenty of money as you keep telling everyone.

Lets agree to disagree, as was stated earlier its an emotive subject (and you clearly have no idea what hunting is all about).

I dont have plenty money, Ive never stated that. I'll admit Im paid fairly well though. As are you. 

 

Being paid a good wage does not make me Landed Gentry unfortunately. 

 

Yes, I think it is best we agree to disagree as you clearly have no idea what hunting is all about. 

 

Now off to the Stables with you, your master needs his boots polished.  

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

I blame they bloody city dwelling socialists myself....

 

Coming out past the M25 with their radical bolshinstvo, vegan, sandal wearing  metropolitan ideas upsetting the natural balance of things, exposing barbaric historic practices that have no place in a modern society and making us simple country folk offer up vacuous and poorly structured arguments in a lame and somewhat pitiful attempt at justifying the continuation of a completely inappropriate, unjustifiable and abhorrent behaviour. 
 

What ever next?  Before you know if they’ll be exposing systemic sadistic cruelty and the feeding of dead hounds to the pack, the reckless ignorance of bio-Sec whilst gathering from far and wide to mingle and spread horse and hound carried bTB across vast tracks of agricultural land. 
 

Inconceivable really, what’s not to like 😂

[DanHorrich87]

3 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

Humane as in a clean shot and not an intentionally prolonged death, for example traps, poison or getting ripped to shreds by a pack of hounds. 
 

I hope this resolves your confusion.  
 

 

I merely suspected you equate your personal convenience with what is humane. And so it is. You equate the humane with quantifying the measureable. Quickly! Cleanly! How very managerial! For someone who lives in a remote area of a sparsely populated country, you're not very rural are you? And why so snide? Are you a moderator?

[trigger_andy]

Just now, DanHorrich87 said:

I merely suspected you equate your personal convenience with what is humane.

Well, your suspicion is inaccurate. 

 

1 minute ago, DanHorrich87 said:

You equate the humane with quantifying the measureable. Quickly! Cleanly! How very managerial!

Well yes, in the context of dispatching an animal that is generally the definition of humane. As opposed to a protracted and painfilled death as per the examples I have previously mentioned. 

 

3 minutes ago, DanHorrich87 said:

For someone who lives in a remote area of a sparsely populated country, you're not very rural are you?

Im not really sure that equating enjoying the slow and painful death of animals with living in a rural part of the UK goes hand in hand. Having lived in remote parts of Scotland most of my life I have yet to find someone who shares your definition of rural, and I hope I never do. 

 

6 minutes ago, DanHorrich87 said:

And why so snide?

PM me if you'd like an answer to that question.  

[manco]

making the news today: a load of trees fell down in the high wind and dickheads are all walking under them to walk the dog and take photos of them.

and then probably complaining that the local council should have "done something" about these trees, and conveniently forgetting they protested whenever the council tried to sort the trees.

[Baldbloke]

Humane as in a clean shot and not an intentionally prolonged death, for example traps, poison or getting ripped to shreds by a pack of hounds.   

I hope this resolves your confusion. [emoji4] 

 

 

 

I’ve never hunted foxes by being on a hay burner but have participated on dozens of days where a huntsman on foot tries to follow his pack of hounds pursuing foxes, while we try to figure out which cover the fox was heading for, so we can quietly line up and shoot him in passing. My speciality was at the end of a line with a rifle rather than with a shotgun within the line.

What people don’t realise is that hounds mainly work through their noses rather than through sight. You often couldn’t risk a shot at a fox because in cover (not open ground) it was literally tiptoeing between the dogs. The dogs could be within a metre of the fox, be beside itself with the scent , and absolutely clueless how close it was. The fox meanwhile was totally aware of its surroundings, of every dog around it, and anyone with a gun that wasn’t well concealed.

While my vote for efficiency goes to merely using dogs for driving foxes to guns, Commando is spot on in that the traditional hunt is the way to clean up all the old and infirm foxes in the area.

While a traditional hunt might occasionally have killed the occasional infirm or unlucky fox, we’d be surprised at not getting half a dozen in a day. I can remember once after covering a lot of ground getting 15.

Maybe townie foxes generally look so shit because they’re relying on those middle class anti blood sport vegan bin offerings[emoji848]

 

[MattyF]

I don't think you two have a clue , I said before this is an argument about class war which you have both proven in your above statements to prove being the smug self satisfying idiots who think you hold some moral high ground on some thing you have no understanding of , any way my partner hunts , she's from a sink hole estate in Newcastle , she hunts because she is an amazing horse woman and horses are her passion and life who other wise would not get to ride on the courses or land that you pay £40 quid a day for on a hunt meet , I know in the 6 years she has been drag hunting which is usually every Saturday she's not seen a fox killed, I'm not saying it does not happen but they don't go digging any fox that has gone to ground out so if the hounds do pick up a fox and change trails they are never likely if at all to catch it unless it's well not fit enough... it's entirely about horsemanship and riding skills to cover cross country that people go for.. obviously trigger **************** wit and mr smug babe mbe can't get there heads around this..