Making the news today....

[matelot]

8 minutes ago, Mark J said:

The thing is though, that the West can't let the middle East do it's own thing due to the heavily armed Israeli govenment.  And the oil.  Let's not forget the oil.

Well in fifty years time when the ME runs out of oil we can leave them to their goat herding and pearl fishing.... 

[Commando]

Well in fifty years time when the ME runs out of oil we can leave them to their goat herding and pearl fishing.... 

Dubai’s oil pretty much ran out a decade ago, seem to be doing ok without it......

[Mark J]

12 minutes ago, matelot said:

Well in fifty years time when the ME runs out of oil we can leave them to their goat herding and pearl fishing.... 

You'd hope that within fifty years we may have embraced clean, sustainable energy.

 

I for one would be quite happy herding goats and fishing for pearls in my 90's.

 

 

Edited April 12, 2018 by Mark J

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

22 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Starting at the top and working down Kevin:

 

While I agree that ideally people should be temporarily rehoused in a safer neighbouring country, would we not be somewhat hypocritical by not offering them sanctuary if we were responsible for their displacement?  (I'm not suggesting that we scoop up the displaced in a C-10 and drop them off at Skegness)

Do you then agree that there should be no military action without Parliamentary approval?

 

Economic and diplomatic action aimed Who and Why?

 

You probably know about this than most on this forum, certainly more than I do.

 

Hypocracy for what? Not taking direct kinetic military action sooner? Confused!

 

parliamentary approval, or otherwise, is irrelevant in my reckoning. The solution will not be found in military intervention. 

 

Russia and Iran , for fucking meddling, before the mighty Israel laces the gloves up and starts issuing some serious spanking. 

[WesD]

39 minutes ago, Mark J said:

I think that a Prime Minister making their own decisions is a slippery slope to be on.  Tony Blair didn't really help when he went down that route.
I reckon that May has (and knows she has) the spine of a sea cucumber and the diplomatic skills of chest of drawers.

 

Maybe your right but they are PM for a reason. If they voted everything through parliament they may as well have a coalition PowerShare permanently. 

 

Like I said an official UN presence to leave em too it but being there to prevent chemical attacks as UN rather than being labelled as a country interfering. 

 

There is nothing wrong every once in a while following what the world does instead of being at the forefront all of the time. 

 

Go Macron I say. 

[Mark J]

22 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Hypocracy for what? Not taking direct kinetic military action sooner? Confused!

 

parliamentary approval, or otherwise, is irrelevant in my reckoning. The solution will not be found in military intervention. 

 

Russia and Iran , for fucking meddling, before the mighty Israel laces the gloves up and starts issuing some serious spanking. 

What I meant, was that if these peoples' homes get blown up through our military's actions, then it would be hypocritical to refuse them safe sanctuary in our own country.

 

I hope that the solution will be found without recourse for missile strikes.  However, the government has a record of interventions without the express will of the people.  That makes them as bad as the 'enemy' in my eyes, and betrays the values we are supposed to uphold.

 

Without the "fucking meddling" of Russia and Iran, the Islamic State would be right where everyone said they would be.

Edited April 12, 2018 by Mark J

[Mark J]

3 minutes ago, WesD said:

Maybe your right but they are PM for a reason. If they voted everything through parliament they may as well have a coalition PowerShare permanently. 

 

Like I said an official UN presence to leave em too it but being there to prevent chemical attacks as UN rather than being labelled as a country interfering. 

 

There is nothing wrong every once in a while following what the world does instead of being at the forefront all of the time. 

 

Go Macron I say. 

No one voted for May remember.  She's only PM because Cameron the pig lover bailed out after the referendum result.

[breffni]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/12/novichok-used-in-spy-poisoning-chemical-weapons-watchdog-confirms-salisbury

[Mark Bolam]

She did win (ish) a general election Mark.

 

Syria? Not our fight.

Pleased ISIS are getting a hiding, but still not our fight.

[Mark J]

7 minutes ago, breffni said:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/12/novichok-used-in-spy-poisoning-chemical-weapons-watchdog-confirms-salisbury

Aye, but it doesn't say it came from Russia.  I used to know sources of extremely potent LSD but it didn't come from Albert Hoffman.

 

Edited April 12, 2018 by Mark J