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[the village idiot]

I think the problem westerners have is that we think everyone thinks like us. We think "we'll let those poor refugees into Europe and they'll be so grateful that they settle in and integrate".

 

However they actually think "Thanks to Allah we have been let into Europe. He wishes us to spread the Islamic caliphate into the crusader lands".

 

This isn't going to end well. This is going to lead to a civil war.

 

Why it wouldn't be perfectly crystal clear that they DON'T think like us is beyond me.

 

Immigration is in my view a bit of a side issue. We need to find a way to change the way these people think. It is a travesty that billions of people are taught to value faith over logic and reason.

[Richard 1234]

Yeah, nice argument Richard.

 

 

 

That's really made me sit back and reconsider my arguments and thought process.

 

 

 

I think the place you have in this discussion is to emphasise to people how poor the arguments on your side of the discussion are....

 

 

That's it now you have convinced me let's lock them all up and throw away the key. Then when their brother in arms come let's do the same thing again and again.

 

One problem is that muslims know there is a growing number of people like you that insult their way of life and generally hate them. I'm sure the first thing they think is let's be nice to those people.

If you said to me ALL religions should be banned I'd agree with you because they are all fairy tales imo

 

 

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[matelot]

Immigration is in my view a bit of a side issue. We need to find a way to change the way these people think. It is a travesty that billions of people are taught to value faith over logic and reason.

 

The Koran says that the lowliest Muslim is higher than the king of the richest non Muslim Kingdom.

 

"We" have absolutedly no hope of reforming Islam. Reformation has to come from within Islam. It took centuries to reform Christianity. We're not going to reform Islam in a few years.

 

The best we can do is stick to our part of the world and muslims stick to their part.

[matelot]

One problem is that muslims know there is a growing number of people like you that insult their way of life and generally hate them. I'm sure the first thing they think is let's be nice to those people.

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I remember I had a date with this 20 year old Polish girl. She was stunning, she had a size 8 body but enormous boobs.

 

She asked me "what do you do for hobbys?". I said "I go shooting on my dad's land, I love shooting squirrels". She then said "I'm a vegetarian"...

 

I never saw her again.

 

Sometimes the core beliefs of people do not match.

 

PS after Manchester do you really think it's surprising that people hate Islam? Killing kids does cause a strong reaction.

[the village idiot]

The Koran says that the lowliest Muslim is higher than the king of the richest non Muslim Kingdom.

 

"We" have absolutedly no hope of reforming Islam. Reformation has to come from within Islam. It took centuries to reform Christianity. We're not going to reform Islam in a few years.

 

The best we can do is stick to our part of the world and muslims stick to their part.

 

In that case 'our' job must be to put our resources behind moderate muslims who are brave enough to speak up with some degree of clarity and reason within their own communities. These people do exist

 

Encouraging an 'us and them' mentality can only make matters worse.

[TIMON]

In that case 'our' job must be to put our resources behind moderate muslims who are brave enough to speak up with some degree of clarity and reason within their own communities. These people do exist

 

 

 

Encouraging an 'us and them' mentality can only make matters worse.

 

 

How ironic that you would attribute clarity and reason to a Muslim, albeit a moderate one. [emoji848]

 

 

 

Timon.

[matelot]

In that case 'our' job must be to put our resources behind moderate muslims who are brave enough to speak up with some degree of clarity and reason within their own communities. These people do exist

 

Encouraging an 'us and them' mentality can only make matters worse.

 

I agree with that. Ahmedi Muslims have developed a version of Islam that's quite "friendly" with the West. When you see muslims at candle light vigils it will generally be ahmedis.

 

Mainstream muslims hate them and consider them heretics. The glasgow shopkeeper was killed because he was an ahmedi. The Muslim Council of Britain has issued a decree that ahmedis are not Muslims.

 

For me, the only answer is widespread deportations and inprisoning extremists.

[scotspine1]

Find it interesting so many leftists and other useless idiots on this thread are actually rushing to defend Islam and even Islamist terrorists even after an Islamist terrorist was responsible for dismembering, mutilating and maiming young girls in Britain this week.

 

People like you are weak minded cuckolds to Islam who stand by with indifference claiming Islam is a religion of peace and we shouldn't be too hard on the Islamists who slaughter our children.

 

You're cowards.

 

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[Daniël Bos]

The Koran says that the lowliest Muslim is higher than the king of the richest non Muslim Kingdom.

 

"We" have absolutedly no hope of reforming Islam. Reformation has to come from within Islam. It took centuries to reform Christianity. We're not going to reform Islam in a few years.

 

The best we can do is stick to our part of the world and muslims stick to their part.

Bollox

 

Christianity, and it's influence over the people of western Europe has changed massively over the last century.

100 years ago the question "are you religious" would be seen as absurd.

 

Human rights as a concept of law, not religious benefit,

Women's rights,

Lbgt rights,

The rights of normal citizens parallel with people with "status " in society.

All of those changed more in the last 75 years than the 750 before that.

 

Change can come quickly

[matelot]

Bollox

 

Christianity, and it's influence over the people of western Europe has changed massively over the last century.

100 years ago the question "are you religious" would be seen as absurd.

 

Human rights as a concept of law, not religious benefit,

Women's rights,

Lbgt rights,

The rights of normal citizens parallel with people with "status " in society.

All of those changed more in the last 75 years than the 750 before that.

 

Change can come quickly

 

The Bible was written by man. Christains were happy issuing new revisions every now and again.

 

The Koran was written by God. Any deviation to the Koran is heresy and will lead to the writer being killed.

 

The Koran is clear that women and gays etc are second class citizens. The Koran and women's right etc don't mix.