BIG cedar with some scary bits

[Czlowiek Drzewo]

Never done a Crane removal before so can't comment much....but it looked like they didn't really think about where they should tie branches on.

 

if they are not exp in crane work why did they take such big lumps ? very lucky with some of those chunks.

 

[Sciadopitys]

Very interesting!!!!

[Old Mill Tree Care]

Wow! Very scary to watch I'd say they were very very lucky to get through that unscathed.

[Ben]

Rarely do I comment on the bad-treework videos but that is just unreal.

and to think that they obviouslly edited many of the picks....so what was included musta been regarded as the good stuff!

 

One might conclude that it was actually a training day where only the students showed up and just made the best of it. Terrible, terrible crane-work....every aspect:thumbdown:

 

I have to agree with Reg, if they were students lent hope they were being shown what can happen if you don't get the balance right on a branch.

 

Massive tree and one hell of a crane

[Tom D]

Well scary, you can tell a lot about a worker by how he swings a maul.. check out the guys at the end of the second vid. And if the guy using a shovel to feed the chipper worked for me he'd have got a kick up the arse.

 

As for the crane work... its just as well it was a BIG crane!

[RC0]

I have to agree with Reg, if they were students lent hope they were being shown what can happen if you don't get the balance right on a branch.

 

Massive tree and one hell of a crane

 

Its not just the balance that needs pointing out Ben....and you can at least make exception for people who genuinely dont know better....but to teach it:confused1:

 

Why even favour the use of chains when they are often more trouble than they're worth?

 

And not only the bad placement in the brush but to exaggerate the evident poor balance and release by slinging the butts at greater tension than the actual brush, as is always the case unless the butt chain/sling is consciously loosened a little.

 

Then you have chains biting on the gate side of the hook.

 

Massive gaps in those step-cuts on the logs....where even the bypass point in the wrong place also.

 

Even the miner details like guys slamming plastic wedges at head-height without eye protection right at the end....or head for that matter.

 

Like I said earlier, I rarely even watch bad treework videos let alone comment (unless its my own)....but I am at a loss as to what kind of training condones so much bad practice!

[MOG]

that is one of the saddest vid's i have seen, was such a shame to see that be removed. the wood looked solid as. maybe weight reduction all over and a barrier round the drip line would of been abit more appropriate. such a shame man, it looked so sound.

 

as for traniers mmmm i dunno about that word some them. some really basic stuff lacking, ear/eye and head protection missing and shock loading cranes. i dont think we need to go there. but as this vid for a training tool i think is great. and by reading the comments i can see there is alot of GOOD knowledge out there in the uk scene. Keep up the good work guys.

 

Cheers MOG

[MattyF]

that is one of the saddest vid's i have seen, was such a shame to see that be removed. the wood looked solid as. maybe weight reduction all over and a barrier round the drip line would of been abit more appropriate. such a shame man, it looked so sound.

 

 

Cheers MOG

Think that's what I disliked most as well.. I find it more tragic than that excuse for professional tree work.

[scotspine1]

This post is for trainee arborists/climbers, just a few thoughts for you to consider......

 

It could be argued that none of the people in these videos should be involved in treework.

 

Why did none of the trainees have the mental strength to stand up to the instructors? Some of those trainees knew instinctively that what they were doing was wrong, were they too mentally weak to say anything? As a climber you have to go with your instincts, if you feel something is morbidly unsafe it's probably just 100,000 years of human evolution trying to tell you something very important, it's how your ancestors survived and how you got here today.

 

From my experience in the industry you can't always trust instructors, bosses or crew leaders to tell you what they think is going to happen, you have to learn to think for yourself and have the strength of mind to go with your own instinct. If you think something is wrong on the job, then stop before you kill yourself or someone else. If you think something is inherently unsafe despite being told by a boss or co-worker 'it's fine, just go with it' then stop and find another safer way to do it, even if it takes a bit longer.

 

I've worked with so called experts, bosses and instructors, assessors (NPTC/LANTRA/FASTco etc) who have been found out on the jobsite for their lack of experience/skills/knowledge in certain areas. Some of them have a lack of common sense. These guys dont know everything and the most humble of them will readily admit that. None of us know everything in treework and if someone acts like they do, don't trust them, there's a fine line between confidence and arrogance.

 

When you become a climber, you need to have the right mental state. If you dont think you can stand up to people when its your life on the line, then maybe you should consider finding another job.

 

Roughly speaking climbing and working in trees is 20% instruction/book knowledge, 40% experience and 40% mental. You get the basics from instructors, thats it. You dont get experience from instructors. Their experience is not transferrable to your mind, you make your own experience and this relies on your natural attributes - both physical and most importantly...mental.

 

Assess the level of risk in your mind, regardless of what an 'instructor' or 'boss' might say. By all means ask for other people's thoughts or opinions - but you have to learn to be responsible for your decisions in the tree. Look at what's happening, look at the bigger picture, think of the outcome of your actions.....understand timber, weights, forces, tension and distances because when it comes to rigging trees down these are some of the most important factors.

 

Most bosses/instructors in treework respect strong minded trainees or apprentices, just remember in most cases you have to work with them not against them. Tree work can be a dangerous job at times, it's impossible to remove the risk of death or injury but sometimes by not speaking up you increase the risk.

[Justme]

the wood looked solid as.

 

Cheers MOG

 

I am sure I saw one bit that was rotten in the middle when the cut was exposed.