Anyone still like Labour?

[GarethM]

If you want the honest answer yes I do think it's a political/business lie, maybe more muddying the waters as it's become more a religion.

 

As I've said numerous times pragmatic solutions that actually bring people along and make things profitable not less.

 

Problem is a lot of the nutters, wax lyrical about long lists of things we have zero control over, yet fail to accept that maybe their 50yr obsession has maybe done the opposite as a country it's the cleanest in what 300 years!.

 

I'll pick nitrate run off as an example, mainly its sewage discharge than farming. If I'm paying 300 a ton I ain't wasting it, hell even at 50 I want my return!.

 

If you want to demand every house has 3 bird boxes, fine by me, but nutters shouting were burning don't help the cause.

 

And I have said this many many times.

Refill the Aral sea and then we can talk about Ed's more militant forcing us into the stone age ideals, I believe it's emptying in the 50/60s is the cause of most environmental problems!.

Edited April 25 by GarethM

[Stubby]

5 hours ago, Youngstu said:

As others have previously said, you can come across as intelligent, knowledgeable and educated in many of the areas you discuss, as such it's hard to know if you really hold these views or are just taking an opposing position with those whose ideologies you disagree with. 

I'm sure we can all recognise that in many ways things have improved pollution wise and in terms of ecosystem damage. However those minor changes to reduce impact can't necessarily make up for the accumulation of damage over the last decades or centuries. The sheer amount of damage to our ecosystems is enormous, in terms of (to name a few) soil loss, pollutant build up, nitrate levels, total loss of habitat, loss of species diversity, reduced water holding capacity, species loss and food chain impacts, etc etc. 

 

Some of these are due to agricultural practices, others due to development, others to climate change and they are all more than just a local issue. It is a problem locally, nationally and internationally, but the UK is widely recognised as one of the most Nature depleted countries due to the sheer amount of time that we have been developed and industrialised and the long term impact of these practices. (which for those of us lucky enough to spend much of our lives in rural and relatively unspoilt areas may find hard to believe). 

 

Do you really deny these things and feel that those who publicise them and publish research are falling for a big lie with a political background? 

Sewage discharge ( human ) into chalk streams and the sea is a biggie for me . What to do about it I don't know . Fining the water companies when they need more money to fix things seems counter productive but it is well beyond a joke now .

[GarethM]

13 minutes ago, Stubby said:

Sewage discharge ( human ) into chalk streams and the sea is a biggie for me . What to do about it I don't know . Fining the water companies when they need more money to fix things seems counter productive but it is well beyond a joke now .

Micro plastic is the biggest sewage problem including digestate. They're looking at solutions, but even I know 1-2 micron filtering is impossible, incinerator is the only option.

[sime42]

8 hours ago, Johnsond said:

So basically more waffle 

Wouldn’t it be easier just to answer the questions, the few historical facts I threw in were neither here nor there. That’s both you and 42 now whom have replied with long winded empty posts, if you have the solutions and the reasons why this biodiversity collapses is occurring then enlighten us all 👍

 

Me and 42, who is 42? I wish I was still 42! It's the answer to everything you know. 

 

So it obviously wasn't more waffle or an empty post; you have at least now grasped the concept that Climate Change and Biodiversity Collapse are two different issues. We've made some progress, result!

 

The APK though? In the name of transparency and common decency you really need to open up about this. People are starting to think you've something to hide here. Using secret codes is almost as bad as that heinous crime of "hiding behind a veil of anonymity". 

[sime42]

8 hours ago, Johnsond said:

So basically more waffle 

Wouldn’t it be easier just to answer the questions, the few historical facts I threw in were neither here nor there. That’s both you and 42 now whom have replied with long winded empty posts, if you have the solutions and the reasons why this biodiversity collapses is occurring then enlighten us all 👍

 

The reasons for Biodiversity Collapse are many and varied. There's been plenty of robust scientific research done on it now. A lot of it was detailed in those links that were shared a few pages back, you should have read some of it. Essentially it boils down to habitat loss, food source loss, pesticide use and Climate Change. So, it's mostly, but not entirely due to modern agricultural practices and land usage, i.e. those that have been adopted over the last 40-50 years.

I'll caveat this by saying that I'm not an Ecologist, (CV can be provided on request), but here's some solutions that I've heard and read. There's no one silver bullet, but if we do at  least a little of lots of things we'll start to see improvements. Mostly common sense actually. Off the top of my head;-

Less Monoculture farming
More smaller, family run, diverse farms
Less pesticides and herbicides
More natural grasslands
Less intensively reared meat
More wild meat and game, (like the out of control deer population, and tonnes of pheasant carcasses that are currently wasted)
Less sugar consumption
More plant based food
Less devoting land for growing vegetables to feed to livestock
More hedges
Less massive warehousing, distribution centres, crappy new housing estates and now data centres blotting our green and pleasant land
More gardening
Less paved over front gardens
More wetlands
Less roads
More education for children and adults on how to cook and eat seasonal food
Less light pollution
More unkempt council verges
Less anti-tick treatments for pets
More Mason Bee boxes, (you could knock up rooks of them with all your time and kit!)

You see? Nothing too painful for any of us.

[Johnsond]

24 minutes ago, sime42 said:

Me and 42, who is 42? I wish I was still 42! It's the answer to everything you know. 

 

So it obviously wasn't more waffle or an empty post; you have at least now grasped the concept that Climate Change and Biodiversity Collapse are two different issues. We've made some progress, result!

 

The APK though? In the name of transparency and common decency you really need to open up about this. People are starting to think you've something to hide here. Using secret codes is almost as bad as that heinous crime of "hiding behind a veil of anonymity". 

Smug waffling shite. 

 

13 minutes ago, sime42 said:

you should have read some of it

Smug waffling shite 

 

13 minutes ago, sime42 said:

CV can be provided on request

Smug waffling shite 

 

13 minutes ago, sime42 said:

you could knock up rooks of them with all your time and kit!)

Smug waffling shite 

 

13 minutes ago, sime42 said:

You see? Nothing too painful for any of us.

Smug waffling shite 

 

13 minutes ago, sime42 said:

Less Monoculture farming
More smaller, family run, diverse farms
Less pesticides and herbicides
More natural grasslands
Less intensively reared meat
More wild meat and game, (like the out of control deer population, and tonnes of pheasant carcasses that are currently wasted)
Less sugar consumption
More plant based food
Less devoting land for growing vegetables to feed to livestock
More hedges
Less massive warehousing, distribution centres, crappy new housing estates and now data centres blotting our green and pleasant land
More gardening
Less paved over front gardens
More wetlands
Less roads
More education for children and adults on how to cook and eat seasonal food
Less light pollution
More unkempt council verges
Less anti-tick treatments for pets
More Mason Bee boxes,

Finally answers 👍You could have saved yourself a bit of time and just did that at the beginning instead of practicing being a smug twat 42 🤷‍♂️

You forgot to drop in less immigration/population as I’m sure the increase in the last 40-50 years etc ain’t helped many of the things  you mention in your list. Let’s face it an increase from 55million in 1970 to 69million in 2024 is a whole lot more mouths to feed houses to build and shit to get rid of. That seems to me to put a contradiction in the mix, of your statement above and very publicly aired views on immigration. 

 

Edited April 25 by Johnsond

[Yournamehere]

On 24/04/2025 at 09:02, Yournamehere said:

Why?  

When people reply you say it's waffle;

[Edited]

 

 

 

 

What do I win?

[sime42]

9 hours ago, Haironyourchest said:

 

Ironically, Trump is likely initializing the Great Reset, by causing a global recession. Which will be great for the environment. Less production, less consumption. Every time money changes hands, nature suffers. 

 

But are they grateful? No 

 

Yeah, that could be the case. I've been pondering this. Another scenario is that Trump drags the US into a deep dark depression and the rest of the world just resorts to buying even more disastrously manufactured, excessively cheap, crap from China. Thereby hastening both its rise to world dominance, and natures further demise.

If only Trump were Amish; there would be a much better outlook for the world.

 

[billy_wizz]

3 hours ago, Stubby said:

Sewage discharge ( human ) into chalk streams and the sea is a biggie for me . What to do about it I don't know . Fining the water companies when they need more money to fix things seems counter productive but it is well beyond a joke now .

Fining the water company and using the money to make the improvements would perhaps be an option! Or could go fully in and ban all payments to shareholders until the work is done! Would most likely cause chaos mind!

[sime42]

Good ideas but we'll need to find a government with balls and teeth first.