Logic of road tax?

[sime42]

Exactly. I was  just about to suggest that we need a much more nuanced road tax calculation that takes into account mileage, vehicle size/weight as well as emissions. That would address the issue of all the obese SUVS and Chelsea Tractors blocking up the roads and unnecessarily hastening their demise. Tosslers and other EVs being some of the worst offenders.

 

[nepia]

1 hour ago, David R Barras said:

Pay per mile could be a great idea especially if they take into account vehicle size and weight. Those who use the roads the most/drive bigger and heavier vehicle end up paying more

Yes and putting tax on fuel is like pay per mile! More miles = more fuel used = more tax paid!

[jose]

2 hours ago, David R Barras said:

Pay per mile could be a great idea especially if they take into account vehicle size and weight. Those who use the roads the most/drive bigger and heavier vehicle end up paying more

its coming anyway! thats why Khan is so keen on all the cameras. I believe its also in there actual plans for like 2030!

[David R Barras]

6 minutes ago, jose said:

its coming anyway! thats why Khan is so keen on all the cameras. I believe its also in there actual plans for like 2030!

It's going to be perfect for EVs and they're only going to get more common, unlike internal combustion

[Johnsond]

6 minutes ago, jose said:

its coming anyway! thats why Khan is so keen on all the cameras. I believe its also in there actual plans for like 2030!

Pay per mile is in place already with the amount of tax on fuel, if we ever allow a situation to be implemented where we are literally being charged a set rate for every mile you drive then quite frankly many of us might as well give up. Those of us who live in rural locations in particular will be hammered.

[GarethM]

Hum, I have a feeling my 4 litre Perkins won't be going electric. I can use 2000 litres not going anywhere!.

 

If you believe they'll reduce the tax on fuel, I've a Nigerian prince who has a investment opportunity for you.

Edited April 3 by GarethM

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, nepia said:

Yes and putting tax on fuel is like pay per mile! More miles = more fuel used = more tax paid!

 

I'd tend to agree with that, it covers miles = more fuel but also environmental, more efficient = less fuel. I would have gone for a basic charge, £30 or £50 or something to cover the admin side of things registering the vehicles, up to date MOT check, the websites and so on and the rest on fuel.

 

However electric vehicles complicate that model.

 

It is possible to read the milometer annually and charge for that (after the car is old enough for an MOT), but sure if you can do this with modern cars but disconnect the cable and no speedo or milometer. Likewise a GPS thing in the car, a simple faradays cage over that will block the signal.

 

So if they want to go pay per mile then guess it is cameras and split the roads into some sort of cell system... the size of the cell can alter depending on the congestion, in the extremes of the country larger cells, travel further before triggering a camera, in the cities, smaller cells so you might only drive a couple of miles.

[Johnsond]

5 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

I'd tend to agree with that, it covers miles = more fuel but also environmental, more efficient = less fuel. I would have gone for a basic charge, £30 or £50 or something to cover the admin side of things registering the vehicles, up to date MOT check, the websites and so on and the rest on fuel.

 

However electric vehicles complicate that model.

 

It is possible to read the milometer annually and charge for that (after the car is old enough for an MOT), but sure if you can do this with modern cars but disconnect the cable and no speedo or milometer. Likewise a GPS thing in the car, a simple faradays cage over that will block the signal.

 

So if they want to go pay per mile then guess it is cameras and split the roads into some sort of cell system... the size of the cell can alter depending on the congestion, in the extremes of the country larger cells, travel further before triggering a camera, in the cities, smaller cells so you might only drive a couple of miles.

Jesus Christ as in full on surveillance 😞

[GarethM]

5 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Jesus Christ as in full on surveillance 😞

Don't look at the EU requirements for new cars. Think everything new has to be fitted with a version of OnStar.

[Johnsond]

Just now, GarethM said:

Don't look at the EU requirements for new cars. Think everything new has to be fitted with a version of OnStar.

It’s nuts, yeah you get ridiculed for going on about it but it’s just wrong the constant increase of control and monitoring of every single piece of people’s lives.