Is our current society coming to an end?

[coppice cutter]

  On 19/12/2022 at 17:25, Mark J said:

capitalism seems to be on its last legs now

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Sadly, I think that is pretty far off the mark, I think capitalism tightens it's grip around our throats further and further by the year.

 

I'd like you to be right, but can see no evidence to support your assertion.

 

[Sutton]

  On 19/12/2022 at 16:32, AHPP said:

I thought there might have been some constitutional importance to what you were talking about but I’m afraid that’s exactly the sort of soap opera shite I usually avoid. Let me know if HMRC shuts or I’m not really interested I’m afraid. Thanks anyway though. 

 

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Happy to help. HMCE is here forever alas. If you are a Freeman, it won't make a jot if they drop the HM

[Mark J]

  On 19/12/2022 at 18:44, coppice cutter said:

Sadly, I think that is pretty far off the mark, I think capitalism tightens it's grip around our throats further and further by the year.

 

I'd like you to be right, but can see no evidence to support your assertion.

 

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It looks pretty unsustainable to me. 

[Johnsond]

  On 19/12/2022 at 19:35, Mark J said:

It looks pretty unsustainable to me. 

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The obsession with gdp or growth is the thing I see as the problem in many ways Mark. No one seems to be content any more everyone wants more and more in a mad round of often credit/debt fuelled consumerism. This time of year in particular does my head in as the level pressure to spend is incredible on families.

[GarethM]

Sadly the gdp thing has been taking over for the last 20 years. Accountants obsessed about the bottom line they would refuse to repair something cheaply over buying something new at 3x the price.

[openspaceman]

It's the effect of capital investment in mass production that often makes something cheaper to replace than repair. This is aided by the fact much production has never paid for the damage caused by the external costs we all pay in the way of pollution and waste.

[AHPP]

  On 19/12/2022 at 21:29, openspaceman said:

It's the effect of capital investment in mass production that often makes something cheaper to replace than repair. This is aided by the fact much production has never paid for the damage caused by the external costs we all pay in the way of pollution and waste.

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Without resorting to the ideas of commies like Pigot and George, how does society fix this, given how bloody thick most people are?

[GarethM]

Birth control in the tap water wouldn't be the worst idea in the world.

[GarethM]

On the one hand the feckless can be feckless without worrying, maybe make bottled water expensive for those that can afford kids ?.

 

Sounds very authoritarian but I'm sure the evil spin masters can make it cute and caring?.

[Mark J]

  On 19/12/2022 at 20:40, Johnsond said:

The obsession with gdp or growth is the thing I see as the problem in many ways Mark. No one seems to be content any more everyone wants more and more in a mad round of often credit/debt fuelled consumerism. This time of year in particular does my head in as the level pressure to spend is incredible on families.

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Aye, but if you remove the adverts and the desire (addiction) for consumerism then the whole thing falls on its arse, so they need more people and more consumers to maintain it, it's going to go 'pop' one way or another, the new anti-protest laws will help stoke the fires and then social media will do its insidious work on people who should know better.