2 rope climbing are we sticking to the rules

[openspaceman]

2 hours ago, AHPP said:

He wants to represent the industry and regulate the industry. He can bloody answer to the industry. 

Well yes but Paul is about the only member of the "establishment" willing to answer most questions so no need to frighten him off.

[Joe Newton]

1 hour ago, openspaceman said:

Well yes but Paul is about the only member of the "establishment" willing to answer most questions so no need to frighten him off.

True, always handles himself professionally even with the harder questions. Respect for that. 

 

Alex you're coming across like a yappy dog on this one mate. Drop it.

 

 

Good boy

[Bolt]

AHPP

 

1. When was the last time you paid a subscription to the Arb Association?

 

Don't post anything else.

 

1. When was the last time you paid a subscription to the Arb Association?

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by Bolt

[Mr. Squirrel]

On 20/05/2022 at 08:24, AA Teccie (Paul) said:

Both the Forestry industry sector, and IRATA (I think / presume) are structured differently to the arb industry are they not, in that arb has many more small/micro businesses, and a large self-employed fraternity, where it would be much more difficult to implement log books and sign offs ect. effectively (if you have a direct supervisor, and manager, as with larger businesses this is easier to achieve.)

 

Previously, there was a proposal to introduce something like the Forestry proposed system called 'R2' (Register of Tree Work Operatives) but industry in general, other than some larger employers (who have implemented a version of it internally in some cases) didn't 'buy-in'...maybe a lack of awareness / information was the problem   but it's currently shelved. 

The small/micro businesses you mention would only really be an issue if people were doing their tickets and immediately setting up a business. Which isn’t that common, and those who do are typically pretty dreadful. I suspect most businesses in that category are started by people with a few years experience who have grown tired of low wages and long hours working for an employer. 
 

In Germany you do an aerial rescue ticket, and then after logging 300 hours (I believe) you can do their equivalent of a chainsaw in the tree & rigging ticket combined. Personally I think it’s a far, far better system. The UK’s is frankly inadequate. 

[5thelement]

15 minutes ago, Mr. Squirrel said:

In Germany you do an aerial rescue ticket, and then after logging 300 hours (I believe) you can do their equivalent of a chainsaw in the tree & rigging ticket combined. Personally I think it’s a far, far better system. The UK’s is frankly inadequate. 

The Forestry Contracting Association proposed a similar course of action for new UK forestry workers, the HSE where all ears until FISA rubbished the idea.

[Mr. Squirrel]

10 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

The Forestry Contracting Association proposed a similar course of action for new UK forestry workers, the HSE where all ears until FISA rubbished the idea.

Presumably because having better trained operators in the industry would just be awful 🤷🏻 Begs belief really. 

[Rich Rule]

1 hour ago, Mr. Squirrel said:

… The UK’s is frankly inadequate. 

Trust me, it is a damn site better than some places.  Over here, a lot of people have done a 3 day climbing course at a local Foretry/Arb main dealer and then go away with a Chipper and Grinder.

My neighbour did similar.  Let him at a Christmas party when I moved to a new house.  Said he had been cutting trees since he was a boy.  I wanted to say 20years full time Arb work is a damn site more experience than cutting the trees as they get close to your cabin.  Usually a week at a time, once or twice a year.

 

Anyway, when he found out I did this for a living, next thing I know is he is asking advice on what climbing kit to buy, then he does the aforementioned course, had a tracked TW230 and a large Bandit Stumpgrinder…. And not a lot of work

[AHPP]

On 24/10/2022 at 21:59, AA Teccie (Paul) said:

I'm no legal expert but I do understand the basis of H&S regulations being H&S qualified.

(Please don't be confused by my log-in remaining active, I don't usually log out of the site, perhaps I should.)

 

On 24/10/2022 at 22:28, AHPP said:

More detail please. What did becoming H&S qualified entail? Besides that, what else do you know about the law here, things like the arrangement, hierarchy and context of the various parts of it?

 

And when was the last time you climbed a tree?

 

Looking forward to hearing from you, Paul.

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

21 hours ago, AHPP said:

He wants to represent the industry and regulate the industry. He can bloody answer to the industry. 

Good morning,

 

I represent the Arb Association here, an industry body / trade association (not a regulator), we seek to offer guidance to the industry to meet H&S regulations, including W@H (hence my response to the OP.) I do not represent the industry. 

 

Going forward, whilst I'm very happy to offer comment to help interpret current industry guidance, I'm not willing to engage further on non-associated matters.

 

Thank you. 

Paul

[carlos]

what a nasty post