Russia Invades ukraine

[topchippyles]

6 minutes ago, Stubby said:

I don't see it quite like that . The Russians are loosing huge amounts of personnel and hard wear . The losses of men are due to inadequate training , lack of experience and Putins attitude of there is plenty more where they came from . This is not sustainable . The Ukrainians are out numbered something like 10:1 making one Ukraine soldier worth ten Russian soldiers . I agree the west should of provided more early on but , as you say , they ( the west ) are facing the prospect of Russia winning and the west won't let that happen . ( Me thinks )  

With you on this stubby maybe if russia win and it lands on our doorstep the west will take more notice. My grandfather was a chippy and i had 20 years under his care, World war 2 vet caught and jailed in africa by the japs.

Edited June 7, 2024 by topchippyles

[topchippyles]

2 minutes ago, topchippyles said:

With you on this stubby maybe if russia win and it lands on our doorstep the west will take more notice. My grandfather was a chippy and i had 20 years under his care, World war 2 vet caught and jailed in africa. 

He would be 106 years old now passed on long time ago but his knowledge is is my head. 

Edited June 7, 2024 by topchippyles

[MattyF]

16 minutes ago, Stubby said:

I don't see it quite like that . The Russians are loosing huge amounts of personnel and hard wear . The losses of men are due to inadequate training , lack of experience and Putins attitude of there is plenty more where they came from . This is not sustainable . The Ukrainians are out numbered something like 10:1 making one Ukraine soldier worth ten Russian soldiers . I agree the west should have provided more early on but , as you say , they ( the west ) are facing the prospect of Russia winning and the west won't let that happen . ( Me thinks )  

That’s how Russia fights wars though mate so I do not think it bothers the population or leaders…. they kind of expect to be still fighting wars like it’s 1945, life is cheap and they certainly have no regard for it. 
I think there is a very small percentage of the Russian population that does not feel this way though but not enough to make a difference. 

[Mike Hill]

Honestly I couldn't give a toss about Ukraine. They seem to be corrupt grifters.

 

25,000 fighting aged men have fled to Norway, where they get almost immediate citizenship and a new identity to protect them from their own government drafting them. If this wasn't already hard to believe, they get a £50K lump sum to start their new lives .

 

There are dozens and dozens of luxury vehicles cutting about Bergen sporting Ukrainian plates and their hookers have taken over the sex industry.  STI rates have skyrocketed in this town  Syphilis and Ghonneria infections have exploded. Cyber crime is through the roof too.

 

 

[Stubby]

1 hour ago, MattyF said:

I think there is a very small percentage of the Russian population that does not feel this way though but not enough to make a difference. 

Mostly the wives . They want their men back before they go into the " meat grinder " .  Also I believe , because the Russian " grown ups " feed the population what they want them to hear , that population genuinely thinks Ukraine started it .  

Edited June 7, 2024 by Stubby

[peds]

21 minutes ago, Stubby said:

  Also I believe , because the Russian " grown ups " feed the population what they want them to hear , that population genuinely thinks Ukraine started it .  

 

Tiny percentage, but still a scary huge number, of people all across the West who think this too, who for some reason think the Russian propaganda intended for Russian consumption is good enough for them to believe too. Perplexing. 

[Rich Rule]

2 hours ago, Stubby said:

I don't see it quite like that . The Russians are loosing huge amounts of personnel and hard wear . The losses of men are due to inadequate training , lack of experience and Putins attitude of there is plenty more where they came from . This is not sustainable . The Ukrainians are out numbered something like 10:1 making one Ukraine soldier worth ten Russian soldiers . I agree the west should of provided more early on but , as you say , they ( the west ) are facing the prospect of Russia winning and the west won't let that happen . ( Me thinks )  

Ever thought that the propaganda from either side has ulterior motives?

 

War is good for business.

 

 

[GarethM]

Propaganda is always with an ulterior motive to make your side seem to be doing better.

 

Plus war was so profitable they even made an award to make it a little more palatable.

 

Bit like maxim, made lord of war look like a rank amateur.

[Mike Hill]

47 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Propaganda is always with an ulterior motive to make your side seem to be doing better.

 

Plus war was so profitable they even made an award to make it a little more palatable.

 

Bit like maxim, made lord of war look like a rank amateur.

 

Eh?

 

Care to explain?

[GarethM]

Dynamite= Alfred noble awards

 

Maxim sold machine guns to both sides during a few conflicts including the 1st world war.

 

IBM didn't do too badly from what I remember keeping track of numbers on the trains.

 

And I'm not a cheese eating surrender monkey, but most wars are about territory. WW2 probably being the exception to the rule 

Edited June 7, 2024 by GarethM