Russia Invades ukraine

[Steven P]

56 minutes ago, GarethM said:

A full restoration isn't a peace negotiation, give and take are a required.

 

But it is a fantastic starting point for negotiations rather than Trumps opening gambit of Russia retains all that they have taken, no room for territorial negotiation after then. Plus the '500 billion' charge just to let The Ukraine enter the negotiating table in the first place.

 

Preference opening gambit would be return their land plus pay for damages caused and work from there.

[GarethM]

17 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

But it is a fantastic starting point for negotiations rather than Trumps opening gambit of Russia retains all that they have taken, no room for territorial negotiation after then. Plus the '500 billion' charge just to let The Ukraine enter the negotiating table in the first place.

 

Preference opening gambit would be return their land plus pay for damages caused and work from there.

And how many billions has the USA given, not loaned but given to them ?.

 

It won't be an opening gambit, you mark out your position and they've agreed a basic agreement, it's the Chinese saving face art of negotiation.

 

Negotiation is not like taking your indecisive gf to dinner, where they spent 20 minutes perusing and talking about the menu, then ordering the same basic fish n chips.

 

Plus the negotiations are window dressing, the big wigs do f all. Ever notice the EU stuff, they all bugger off for a meal and it's all miraculously agreed ?.

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[sime42]

20 hours ago, peds said:

*your

 

When you are asked a question you don't understand, start speaking without knowing where you are going and have to wing it:

 

 

 

 

Macron's reaction to that dump of words is the best thing about that clip. The cameraman couldn't help but break the rule about focusing on the speaker.

[Steven P]

25 minutes ago, GarethM said:

And how many billions has the USA given, not loaned but given to them ?.

 

Less than Europe has... but it is the right thing to do as well.

 

Got to split your head away from your apparent stance that money = morals. It does not. Doing the right thing sometimes costs money.

[GarethM]

14 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

Less than Europe has... but it is the right thing to do as well.

 

Got to split your head away from your apparent stance that money = morals. It does not. Doing the right thing sometimes costs money.

I wouldn't mind if it was a loan, we paid the USA for all our stuff during WW2 including liberty ships.

 

Europe hasn't given them missiles like the USA has, the Germans still haven't as it effectively takes them to war. As all targeting is done by whoever provides them, same with storm shadow wasn't that what we sent?.

 

"European countries have provided €132 billion in aid (military, financial and humanitarian) as of December 2024, and the United States has provided €114 billion.[5] Most of the US funding supports American industries who produce weapons and military equipment.[6]" from Wikipedia.

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[Mark Bolam]

4 hours ago, GarethM said:

Don't spoil the ending!

Thank you!