Russia Invades ukraine

[GarethM]

33 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Aye, but he invaded a Sovereign country, why is Putin even there in the first place?

Keep drinking the Kool Aid, GarethM.

Because it's a former soviet block country would be the general assumption.

 

Whilst it was a democratically elected and governed country kinda, they were never part of NATO.

 

Even then I don't think that means much today as we've not had a test of that recently, whilst a poor example is Bosnia, we pretty much left to kick each other for a good while.

 

No koolaid required, it's just reality.

Compromise and DMZ the river as we can't keep giving them money for it to become a forever war of billions of pounds for nothing.

[Mark J]

4 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Because it's a former soviet block country would be the general assumption.

 

Whilst it was a democratically elected and governed country kinda, they were never part of NATO.

 

Even then I don't think that means much today as we've not had a test of that recently, whilst a poor example is Bosnia, we pretty much left to kick each other for a good while.

 

No koolaid required, it's just reality.

Compromise and DMZ the river as we can't keep giving them money for it to become a forever war of billions of pounds for nothing.

Yet the Ruskies have already stated that they won't have NATO\EU forces on their border as part of any 'deal'. 

How does that play out in reality?

Edited February 19 by Mark J

[GarethM]

From what I remember it was more about having for example scud missiles than NATO.

 

I would have thought having a post WW2 germany style force on the border, wouldn't be bad.

 

Start moving long range missiles or nukes and yeah he'll kick off.

 

Ukraine had nukes what 15/20 years back!.

Edited February 19 by GarethM

[Mark Bolam]

[peds]

[GarethM]

7 minutes ago, peds said:

Before or after the Colombian marching powder arrived?

[GarethM]

9 minutes ago, Big J said:

 

A really useful quote from Zelensky, that is worth remembering is that if Russia decides to stop fighting, the war ends tomorrow. If Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine.

 

This war, this invasion of Putin's is one where it is incredibly clear to anyone with a basically developed morality that Ukraine is fighting for it's survival and Russia is in the wrong. Seeking to justify the actions of Russia is unforgivable. Russia is seeking to exterminate the very notion of Ukraine and that is why the Ukrainians are fighting. We should continue to support them as it's a fight that is to our benefit as well.

Absolute BS, handing them millions upon millions to the tune of billions has achieved the zero sum of absolutely diddly squat.

 

I'll say it again, lend lease or you get absolutely nothing and he'll start negotiating knowing we aren't going to foot the bill for his incessant grand standing.

 

And don't even try to say it's to benefit us because it doesn't.

[sime42]

27 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Before or after the Colombian marching powder arrived?

 

What's coke got to do with Zelensky or Ukraine? Is that another Trump (Putin), claim or something?

 

[Mesterh]

It will be interesting to see what trump comes back with now that zel has said that trump is being played by Russia with disinformation.

 

 

[peds]

8 minutes ago, Mesterh said:

It will be interesting to see what trump comes back with now that zel has said that trump is being played by Russia with disinformation.

 

...by labeling Zelenskyy a dictator. 

 

 

Absolute f*cking fruit loop.

Well, that's the US out of the game. Europe really needs to pull this one out of the bag now!