£15/hour

[eggsarascal]

15 minutes ago, doobin said:

£200 a day is plenty for a subby, who takes none of the risk of quoting or being the main contractor with whom the buck stops. It's also miles away from minimum wage, (the original topic), and on top of that reads like a humble brag. You won't out-ball trigger andy, one-upmanship is his life's work.

If £200/day is plenty for a subbie why are you, being the main contractor rattling on about the price of shelter?

[Rough Hewn]

 
In principle, I have no problem with £15/hr. There is no one that I regularly work with on less than £20/hr.
 
The problem is that you can't hold everyone to the same standard. I've had guys work for me at £10hr that have cost me £5/hr in timber not produced. I've got guys working for me who I pay £22/hr that make me good money each and every time they come to work. 
 
The problem with an hourly rate is that there is a massive chasm between the best and the worst workers. To apply such a high minimum wage would be fine if everyone was at least reasonable at their jobs, but there are so many people in society today for whom tying shoe laces is the limit of their technical skill. A lot of these folk you'd genuinely be better off funding to stay out of the work place and prohibit them from reproducing. It could be considered seriously harsh, but the world is full enough already without generating millions more useless people whose jobs have already been replaced by machines.
 
Postscript: That's what I love about Arbtalk. You can start a post being very supportive of socialist ideals and end up on a bit of a eugenics vibe [emoji51] [emoji38]

J you’re worrying me…[emoji848][emoji6]

[doobin]

41 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

If £200/day is plenty for a subbie why are you, being the main contractor rattling on about the price of shelter?

Because it pertains to the original post. Low wages currently have to be subsidised via housing benefit so that low paid workers can afford to live, particularly in the SE.

[trigger_andy]

£200 a day is plenty for a subby, who takes none of the risk of quoting or being the main contractor with whom the buck stops. It's also miles away from minimum wage, (the original topic), and on top of that reads like a humble brag. You won't out-ball trigger andy, one-upmanship is his life's work.

I’ve been to Elevenerife dont you know.

[Johnnyboxer]

If you can hit the numbers, what they don't tell you is, the numbers are almost unacheivable. Do you know differently? When were you last picking Veg on the Lincs Fens?

I wasn’t and thought it was a gimmick to attract people in
Just reporting what I had heard, from the industry
I doubt the piece target is achievable
But it puts wage pressure in Agric & aboriculture/forestry sectors, for the wrong reasons

[eggsarascal]

11 minutes ago, Johnnyboxer said:

I wasn’t and thought it was a gimmick to attract people in
Just reporting what I had heard, from the industry
I doubt the piece target is achievable
But it puts wage pressure in Agric & aboriculture/forestry sectors, for the wrong reasons

Let's get this right, you asked, almost told me that Veg pickers on the Lincs Fens were/ could earn £30/hour, yet you have nothing to back it up... or have I minssed something?

 

I think the Fens would be full of folk working 10 hours/day if £300 was achievable.

Edited October 2, 2021 by eggsarascal

[spuddog0507]

10 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

At the top end you'd be paying a weeks wages each month before tax to rent a room with a shared kitchen and bathroom.

That has been the norm for many years now, when i first took a property on back in the mid 80s it was 1 and a half wks wages for the mortgage payment, 

Back then a mortgage was based on 3 times your annual income,

at that time there was no where near the same amount of rental property as there is today, but due to some people having the balls to take on buy to let mortgages and then having the forsight to get another then another and that then puts them in a very good buying position of just being able to buy one property after another, My argument has all ways been the same WHY pay rent and line some one elses pocket when for not much more outlay every month you can pay a mortgage and own the property yourself one day ??, i have never understood that one,

I know people who are paying more in rent than they would be on a mortgage and lets face it with interest rates at a all time low its never been a better time to buy a property but then again most of the younger people cant get a mortgage but then again all the bloody houses they are building around me are sold before the paint has dried,  

[spuddog0507]

10 hours ago, Peasgood said:

The minimum wage laws say you must top up the wastrels pay to minimum wage. Of course you won't so you sack the guy if it comes to it, now instead of the £40 he has nothing.

This is one of the faults of a minimum wage system, it makes an extra section of society unemployable. The section that won't even try to get the £40 are already unemployable or work for the government.

Very much agree with that, i have been with one today on a shoot, been of work since Wed but made a very fast recovery when he got out of bed this morning, He has been out all day today and he was saying he might go back to work on monday but if i have 5 days off i 70% of my full pay, This guy boils my piss and many others, 

[Mark Bolam]

Mortgages are back down to about 3 1/2 times annual income.

If you’re on £30k you can probably buy a bathroom these days.

 

It’s a big problem, and I don’t know what the fix is.

[Mark Bolam]

I do, actually.

 

Buy a house in the ‘90’s, like I did.