£15/hour

[doobin]

You're all missing the elephant in the room. The cost of shelter is too high.

 

Anyone on minimum wage can afford to eat. Few if any can afford to live anywhere without a government subsidy.

[eggsarascal]

16 minutes ago, doobin said:

You're all missing the elephant in the room. The cost of shelter is too high.

 

Anyone on minimum wage can afford to eat. Few if any can afford to live anywhere without a government subsidy.

And this is where you and most others are missing the elephant, it's not Government money. It's our money that businesses are taking off us by not paying a proper living wage.

Edited October 2, 2021 by eggsarascal

[Stere]

How about big goverment project of  mobile modular kit "council" homes.

 

Modern eco insulated ones mass produced and modular design so can be linked together.

 

Goverment save big  long term as not paying out so much housing benefit to private landlords.

 

 

 

Houses can be moved to where needed.

 

 

So basically trailer parks 😏

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[difflock]

1 hour ago, Mark Bolam said:

The problem is if you pay £15/hr at the bottom end, it spirals upwards pretty quickly, and the system crashes.

Eggs may well have cause to roll his eyes, but that comment reminds me of the various  Unions back in the 1970's each essentially competing to have their members earning the most, each in turn.

And it was never enough. .  .   

With the ensuing inflation.

[eggsarascal]

2 minutes ago, difflock said:

Eggs may well have cause to roll his eyes, but that comment reminds me of the various  Unions back in the 1970's each essentially competing to have their members earning the most, each in turn.

And it was never enough. .  .   

With the ensuing inflation.

It's not to do with me rolling my eyes or disagreeing, I realise everyone shouldn't be paid £15/hour. Where does it stop mind? I pay you £8.91/hour, you claim UC to top up your wages. Who's doing the topping up... did I hear someone say, "the rest of us"?

 

How is it right that big businesses turn millions in profit while the rest of us supplement their payroll.

[trigger_andy]

Minimum wage and rent costs are two different things in my opinion. I don’t really see a minimum wage job as a job that you can live on and support yourself or a family. It suits students studying to get an education or a supplementary wage as a second income for a family. These wages should never be topped up. The market dictates the wages as we’re seeing now with field workers and HGV drivers.

[eggsarascal]

3 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Minimum wage and rent costs are two different things in my opinion. I don’t really see a minimum wage job as a job that you can live on and support yourself or a family. It suits students studying to get an education or a supplementary wage as a second income for a family. These wages should never be topped up. The market dictates the wages as we’re seeing now with field workers and HGV drivers.

Yes, but let's not pretend this is all due to Brexit, it's been coming for many years. I've done it like many here have done it, paid subbies £150-£200/day when the job COULD pay much more. Is levelling up happening?

 

 

[doobin]

47 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

Yes, but let's not pretend this is all due to Brexit, it's been coming for many years. I've done it like many here have done it, paid subbies £150-£200/day when the job COULD pay much more. Is levelling up happening?

 

 

£200 a day is plenty for a subby, who takes none of the risk of quoting or being the main contractor with whom the buck stops. It's also miles away from minimum wage, (the original topic), and on top of that reads like a humble brag. You won't out-ball trigger andy, one-upmanship is his life's work.

[eggsarascal]

15 minutes ago, doobin said:

£200 a day is plenty for a subby, who takes none of the risk of quoting or being the main contractor with whom the buck stops. It's also miles away from minimum wage, (the original topic), and on top of that reads like a humble brag. You won't out-ball trigger andy, one-upmanship is his life's work.

If £200/day is plenty for a subbie why are you, being the main contractor rattling on about the price of shelter?

[Rough Hewn]

 
In principle, I have no problem with £15/hr. There is no one that I regularly work with on less than £20/hr.
 
The problem is that you can't hold everyone to the same standard. I've had guys work for me at £10hr that have cost me £5/hr in timber not produced. I've got guys working for me who I pay £22/hr that make me good money each and every time they come to work. 
 
The problem with an hourly rate is that there is a massive chasm between the best and the worst workers. To apply such a high minimum wage would be fine if everyone was at least reasonable at their jobs, but there are so many people in society today for whom tying shoe laces is the limit of their technical skill. A lot of these folk you'd genuinely be better off funding to stay out of the work place and prohibit them from reproducing. It could be considered seriously harsh, but the world is full enough already without generating millions more useless people whose jobs have already been replaced by machines.
 
Postscript: That's what I love about Arbtalk. You can start a post being very supportive of socialist ideals and end up on a bit of a eugenics vibe [emoji51] [emoji38]

J you’re worrying me…[emoji848][emoji6]