£15/hour

[eggsarascal]

2 minutes ago, doobin said:

How does 47kg of gas last you only two weeks? I take it you're using it for heating?

 

47kg of gas lasts me about a year at the yard, doing hot water for the kitchen. Before I started taking cold showers, it would still last me half a year (a shower every day, I like to go home fresh and clean and keep the mucky clothes at the yard. Makes for an easier home life!)

 

If I were you I'd look at fitting a log burner. Gas fires are **************** all use for heating a caravan- you want a nice lump of steel log burner/heatsink, and you could run it for free too. Doesn't take much wood to heat a small space like that until you need to open the windows.

47kg of gas last about 2 week, 3 at a push through winter, heating, cooking and water.

[trigger_andy]

1 minute ago, eggsarascal said:

Energy is cheap is it, £97 for a 47kg of gas that lasts about 2 weeks, cheap as chips mate.

 

Your MiL is a fool to boil a full kettle for 2 drinks.

 

Do you not know I think consumption should be reduced living in a box?

 

We aren't using to much, its dickheads filling tanks that they don't need right now.

 

It's nothing to do with government if we can't find the drivers to deliver our goods in the UK. Where are the drivers we need then?

 

Look at what's going on around us.. the, "I'm alright jack" attitude won't go on forever.

Energy is dirt cheap, as is food (which is heavily subsidised) and almost everything else we consume. People have become far too aclimatised to swanning around in bare feet and tee-shirt with the heating in the whole house cranked right up. Next to no one knows how to grow their own food any more and when they do try they realise how labour intensive it is for a crop that will last them a few weeks. Everyone wants everything handed to them on a plate and then complain when they have to pay the (subsidised) price at the local supermarket. 

 

Gas in bottles is normally for recreational use is it not? The labour and costs involved in getting it in a bottle all ready for you to collect is obviously going to be significantly more expensive than having it piped to your home. 

 

The Haulage companies have tried to call the governments bluff for near on 5 years now. They've had plenty of time to entice British based Drivers to come work for them for a wage someone in Brittan can live on. 

 

But we're repeatedly seeing this is not a UK-centric issue, there is a global supply catastrophe happening right now, Driver shortages in other EU countries. The world is gonna have to brace itself for some seriously hard times ahead! We might even have to give up Avocado on toast for a while.  Personally Im looking at expanding my veg patches quite significantly and buying a plough attachment for my wee Howard Rotovator. 

[trigger_andy]

42 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Or, since we only have hot water once a day in this house (and when it's gone its gone) (she hates it, I love it 😆) boiling the kettle (again, topped off to the brim) to wash up 2 cups.  Just leave it all until there is a load - but no, that's not behaviourally possible.

Im so glad we added a Wood Burning Oven in the kitchen and a 280 liter hot water cylinder. Hot water 24/7 and it costs me nothing.  

 

Interestingly I see a Miller up North is selling 1.5t of Larch Backs for £100. I easily go through a cube a week just now. Would be crippling having to pay for that myself. Id have to stop swanning around the house in my boxers. 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

26 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Energy is dirt cheap, as is food (which is heavily subsidised) and almost everything else we consume. People have become far too aclimatised to swanning around in bare feet and tee-shirt with the heating in the whole house cranked right up. Next to no one knows how to grow their own food any more and when they do try they realise how labour intensive it is for a crop that will last them a few weeks. Everyone wants everything handed to them on a plate and then complain when they have to pay the (subsidised) price at the local supermarket. 

 

Gas in bottles is normally for recreational use is it not? The labour and costs involved in getting it in a bottle all ready for you to collect is obviously going to be significantly more expensive than having it piped to your home. 

 

The Haulage companies have tried to call the governments bluff for near on 5 years now. They've had plenty of time to entice British based Drivers to come work for them for a wage someone in Brittan can live on. 

 

But we're repeatedly seeing this is not a UK-centric issue, there is a global supply catastrophe happening right now, Driver shortages in other EU countries. The world is gonna have to brace itself for some seriously hard times ahead! We might even have to give up Avocado on toast for a while.  Personally Im looking at expanding my veg patches quite significantly and buying a plough attachment for my wee Howard Rotovator. 

Legend!  👍🏻🤣👊🏻

[AHPP]

34 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Im so glad we added a Wood Burning Oven in the kitchen and a 280 liter hot water cylinder. Hot water 24/7 and it costs me nothing.  

Nothing? Your time perhaps? You could spend that time working you realise...

[trigger_andy]

5 minutes ago, AHPP said:

Nothing? Your time perhaps? You could spend that time working you realise...

You’re quite correct. It does cost me my time. But looking at the numbers it’s certainly worth it. Perhaps I should have said the wood costs me nothing.

 

50 cubes at current local market prices is £5000. It takes me a comfortable 10 days to have that bagged up. After tax I’m not gonna make that kind of money unless I’m working 10 days over time off-shore. So nicer to do a hobby that I like and be home all day long working with my family. Plus I have to deal with the wood either way. I don’t really count a hobby as taking time away from work either.

[muttley9050]

Not when it comes to international travel during a pandemic though. 

True

[Stubby]

1 hour ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

How about this....

 

'Energy' is, and has been for a long time, too cheap - hence people are wasteful in their consumption of it.  

 

The (small) example I'd use is the MiL moaning about her bills on a fixed income but seemingly incapable of behavioural change to ameliorate consumption.  Example, fill the kettle to the 'king top for 2 cups of tea.  

 

Or, since we only have hot water once a day in this house (and when it's gone its gone) (she hates it, I love it 😆) boiling the kettle (again, topped off to the brim) to wash up 2 cups.  Just leave it all until there is a load - but no, that's not behaviourally possible.

 

There are many ways consumption should / must be reduced if 'we' (humankind) are to live within the means of the planet.

 

That leads us nicely into the fuel shortage you reference.  You know what it means when you run out of something right?  You're using too much.  Good, I'm glad there was a fuel shortage, maybe it will make people treat what they take for granted with a bit more respect and restraint.

 

And finally, yes, it is the fault of business if business fails just like it is the benefit of a business if business succeeds.  27 applicants from the EU is 27 too many whilst there are slackers on the giro that should be doing the work.

 

 

My mate ( who is a tree surgeon ) and owns several properties as student lets goes bonkers when he finds the students just open a window when its too hot in doors but leave the heating on !  I am getting a reading of 37.2 average mpg on my truck and have done for months . Cant get it any higher , that's the best it gets .  I filled my truck about a week before the " don't panic " panic happened so did not need to Q or go looking for diesel . I would normally fill it when there is about 50 miles left in the tank . Today it was down to 60 odd miles and low and behold my local has some diesel which they have not had since the panic . Went in , filled up , back to 560 miles to go .  Done nothing different than pre panic .

[muttley9050]

I admit to being somewhat envious(or is it more correctly jealous, I can never remember) of Mutley's unfettered  lifestyle(and I googled Redfield btw) the one point I cottoned-on to was the "no place for old men" aspect of the arrangement. Yet wider society has to provide for the neer-do-wells, the dregs and the misfits.
A monestery I stayed at was the same, the bloke I spoke with was candid that they would refuse anyone turning up to join up, unless they were young and fit enough to contribute for a good number of years!
Also my exposure to the cynical grant aided nature of some of the Council funded bodies claiming to be "eco friendly" soured me, when they dumped and trashed through stuff like most anybody else, always moving on the the next new thing, and leaving the ratepayer to tidy up their rubbish.
And I was not unaware that most of the residents of Redfield probably pay their taxes, though there is a more than strong possibility some do not, preferring to work for cash in hand.
Cheers,
Marcus,
EDIT.
The ones that boil my piss, are for example, like the young female "social influencer" living somewhere in the hills of Portugal or Spain, "off the grid', which is to say NOT paying taxes, yet no doubt leaving a pile of shite to be tidied up, when they move on, and expecting gold plated Social Welfare when she get older, gets sick or hurts herself.
Pure hypocracy.
 
 
 

The not paying taxes is a fallacy. We all work and all pay our dues..
I pay plenty.
The no room for old men again is something some of you have assumed /invented. It simply doesn't exist.

[doobin]

Muttley's setup sounds pretty cool. I've always thought that a big house split between a few families could provide a much better standard of living for less cost than the norm, so long as it wasn't too 'culty'. Economies of scale really kick in when you get into double digit bedroms! Sounds like there is ample room for personal enterprise too.

 

I've lived in house shares in the country and if you have the right people it's great. Perhaps there are not too many older people because they buy their own place with the money they save?

 

Muttley, are any of your members also renting their own houses out, or is that against the ethos?