Future Firewood Demand Optimism?

[Capetown]

Meanwhile the gas price fluctuates! 

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[devon TWiG]

6 hours ago, neiln said:

 Energy cap prices have risen by 12% last October, 54% last march, predicted to rise 78% this October and then further in January. That's 309% October to October. Most users were on deals well below the cap but with supplier firms going bust and fixed price deals ending, most users are now on the cap so factor that rise in too and users will have seen 350-400% rise in the cost of gas and electric with more to come.  While log producers haven't seen cost increases of anything like that you have seen cost increases and like everyone a cost of living increase of 10 ish %

I'm suggesting a rise in the cost of logs 150% less than that for gas and electricity is fair as log producers have had very low margins and profit, deserve more, costs up so need more, and energy costs all round are up, but balancing against price gouging by a much lower increase than elsewhere in the energy sector.  Log producers are not charities after all so profit is not a duty word, they deserve to earn a living too.  Although I could make an exception for some 😉

The raw material ( trees) will /have been rising in price and owners of resource will soon realise they can demand more after seeing the cost of rival energy sources ....homeowners will want us to pay to take trees away soon as they realise the value of the wood !!!😃  there is no good outcome for anyone really ...unless you own a lot of trees !!

[difflock]

Ah bees rubbing me hands wi glee!

[Billhook]

On 23/07/2022 at 08:31, Steve Bullman said:

That’s the price just to stack it if I’m reading it correct 

Sounds cheap to me, I would want double that!

[Billhook]

On 27/07/2022 at 18:44, trigger_andy said:

The customers don’t have to agree, just the competition. Just look at Pump prices, I doubt any customer agrees there. 
 

And careful what you wish for. At £250 a cube I doubt you’d get any logs dropped of for free. 

As a farmer and potential seller of firewood I have had a lifetime of people telling me what the price of wheat, barley, oilseed, potatoes, timber and many other things are.

I’m looking forward to to the time when these things are in such short supply that I am able to name my price.

[trigger_andy]

4 minutes ago, Billhook said:

As a farmer and potential seller of firewood I have had a lifetime of people telling me what the price of wheat, barley, oilseed, potatoes, timber and many other things are.

I’m looking forward to to the time when these things are in such short supply that I am able to name my price.

Quite right! 
 

I think this winter will be the first time we’ll see genuine shortages across the board for energy and food. 
 

With the huge increases in the cost of diesel and fertiliser I imagine crops will be smaller but more expensive than previous. 

[Billhook]

10 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Quite right! 
 

I think this winter will be the first time we’ll see genuine shortages across the board for energy and food. 
 

With the huge increases in the cost of diesel and fertiliser I imagine crops will be smaller but more expensive than previous. 

Been nice and sunny recently but I can see the dark clouds of a perfect storm brewing in the distance.  And a full blown rail strike to hamper the supplies of fuel and food

[openspaceman]

1 hour ago, Billhook said:

As a farmer and potential seller of firewood I have had a lifetime of people telling me what the price of wheat, barley, oilseed, potatoes, timber and many other things are.

I’m looking forward to to the time when these things are in such short supply that I am able to name my price.

That'll be next year then  if farmers decide to plant break crops of  legumes because they cannot afford nitram

[Stere]

Regnerative farming seems the current buzz word but its sounds just like old fashioned mixed farming.

[devon TWiG]

3 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

Quite right! 
 

I think this winter will be the first time we’ll see genuine shortages across the board for energy and food. 
 

With the huge increases in the cost of diesel and fertiliser I imagine crops will be smaller but more expensive than previous. 

I was at a farm yesterday near  Exeter and they just combined their crop and yield was down mostly due to drought , livestock farmers are in a worse situation due to lack of grass ....another told me that chips will be shorter this year because spuds were small !!😆