Red diesel availability?

[Justme]

2 hours ago, Baldbloke said:

As if house price inflation wasn’t bad enough. Now you’ll be seeing an additional 10/20% whacked on top of existing prices

You think that the existing house prices are made up of 10-20% for red diesel costs?

 

Thats the only way this can add that much again using white.

[Canal Navvy]

11 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

That's a classic, what happens if you own a house boat that isn't permanently moored. Do you still make your own declaration, or go with the marina/yard?

 

Totally off topic, and not aimed at you @swinny. Another ill thought out idea?

I'm building myself a tug style narrowboat as a live aboard that will also tow a work barge. To keep it simple it'll have a separate generator with its own tank.🙂

 

Nice and simple, white for propulsion & red for the generator when not at work, red for propulsion and white for the generator when working. 🤪

 

 

[dig-dug-dan]

10 hours ago, PeteB said:

Sorry, just read my post.  I should have put Plant Hire customer reports that he will be unable to hire out anything to anyone and accept a returned machine which has been filled with red but has asked who has the time for these regulations and who is going to enforce them too!

Pete, I am in the hire industry. I cannot be held responsible for anyone using my machines and putting in red diesel. As you say, who is enforcing it? The same people that enforce people buying tractors to haul diggers and plant around without an o licence, and running on red?

[woody paul]

1 hour ago, dig-dug-dan said:

The same people that enforce people buying tractors to haul diggers and plant around without an o licence, and running on red?

That would be vosa or how ever it is now, but they can't do anything about towed plant or trailered plant. 

[Baldbloke]

You think that the existing house prices are made up of 10-20% for red diesel costs?
 
Thats the only way this can add that much again using white.

I reckon 10 % is well within reason.
It’s not just the actual construction of housing with the future requirement to use taxed fuel.
Think about the industries supplying materials that presently use red such as quarries and cement works that shortly will be prohibited from using it.

[oldwoodcutter]

It won’t affect the old retired farmers I know , that decant tubs of red into their 21 plate bmw 7 series, as they can’t put expenditures through since closing their books.

[doobin]

A few people have been pulled recently in my local area with tractors and plant. All they were interested in is whether the tractor was using white diesel.

 

So one presumes that's HMRC, VOSA are nowhere to be seen. Might get myself a tractor and employ a 17 year old to drive it with no road tax. Just so long as I run it on white. Still cheap haulage.

[doobin]

13 hours ago, Baldbloke said:

 

I reckon 10 % is well within reason.
It’s not just the actual construction of housing with the future requirement to use taxed fuel.
Think about the industries supplying materials that presently use red such as quarries and cement works that shortly will be prohibited from using it.

There will be big cost inflations on materials, etc, but there is no way this would up the cost of a house by 10%. The value of a house in the UK is in the planning permission. House prices jumped by 10% this year due to a temporary government tax break FFS! People were spending £20k to save £5k.

 

Even a shitty house in a shitty area is £100k- £10k increase would mean that 20,000 litres of diesel (white rather than red so 50p/l extra tax for ease of maths) would be required for the construction. No way. And that's for a dirt cheap house. 10% of a £400k newbuild in the Home Counties? Come on.....

 

Add ons such as extensions or landscaping to existing houses will be more expensive basically- that's where people will notice and whinge about it, when they have to hand over cash. But every time the government introduces a new prop to keep prices high people just add another five years onto the mortgage term.

 

Help to buy, anyone? £50k loan from the government to buy a shitty new build. Oh look- Persimmons profits went up £49k the same year! Who'd have thought it?

[woody paul]

2 hours ago, doobin said:

So one presumes that's HMRC, VOSA are nowhere to be seen.

They sat outside a yard that deals in sand, gravel and topsoil a couple of months ago in Colchester stopped every lorry coming out was told 3 lorries from 1 haulage got seized. 

[doobin]

42 minutes ago, woody paul said:

They sat outside a yard that deals in sand, gravel and topsoil a couple of months ago in Colchester stopped every lorry coming out was told 3 lorries from 1 haulage got seized. 

Not stopping those running tractors though, that's my point.