Calling all Camp Gyro users

[Paddy1000111]

1 minute ago, Mark Bolam said:

The problem I’ve got with it Paddy is that in a lot of situations 2 ropes actually increase the risk without providing a single discernible benefit.

I can't deny that! Getting caught up in rigging etc is all too real of a risk! 

[Khriss]

26 minutes ago, skyhuck said:

 

 

I never mentioned working with one or two ropes, I simply didn't believe your story. I seem to recall you having similar stories regarding freelancers and insurance.

 

I've been climbing for over 25 years, run a limited Co for 21 years, in that time I've had 3 accidents requiring hospitalisation. What you claim simply does not ring true with my personal experience.

 

As for insurance, how many people have personal accident insurance? I know I don't. And my employers and public liability insurance doesn't cover me if I injury myself.

Cos  in Norway?  This matter relates to HSE UK,  and i will tell you another thing, our neighbour is a boat builder from Norway and his farmer family and their kin have multible tree and chainsaw injuries, anecdotal of course but still notable. Ive been using chainsaws n climbing fr as long - still in one piece, careful ?  Talking bollocks?  Just yr opinion. K

[skyhuck]

3 minutes ago, Khriss said:

Cos  in Norway?  This matter relates to HSE UK,  and i will tell you another thing, our neighbour is a boat builder from Norway and his farmer family and their kin have multible tree and chainsaw injuries, anecdotal of course but still notable. Ive been using chainsaws n climbing fr as long - still in one piece, careful ?  Talking bollocks?  Just yr opinion. K

I've never even been to Norway. One day hopefully.

[Paddy1000111]

37 minutes ago, skyhuck said:

As for insurance, how many people have personal accident insurance? I know I don't. And my employers and public liability insurance doesn't cover me if I injury myself.

If you're doing this as a full time career and you have a mortgage and/or a family that depends on you, why wouldn't you have some form of insurance for loss of earnings? If you have an accident and you're out of action with a compromised spine how are you going to keep on top of things? 

I've always had insurance for personal injury/loss of earnings. I'm not living paycheque to paycheque but if I damage myself and can no longer work I'm not going to risk it on £0 

[Mike Hill]

32 minutes ago, Khriss said:

Thanks mate. I get paid quite a bit for my ' bollocks' as you call it. Hope you are as fortunate. K

That's great Khris,I should have expected no less than such from Arbtalks own:

 

Weapons expert

Hse expert

Cable logging expert

Vehicle modification expert

Military history scholar 

Aviation expert with a focus in WW2.

Forest Harvesting specialist.

 

In fact you seem to know so much about so many things,I do wonder how you find the time to come on here?

[Mr. Squirrel]

I don’t understand why you’re getting in such a tizzy about two ropes paddy. On your average job they won’t magically make you any safer. Nor will omitting to use two ropes make your working day any more dangerous. People need to slow down and think about their limits. 

Safe working requires confidence and composure gained from years of experience and the knowledge and skill that goes with that. Not an extra rope. 

[mtt.tr]

Can't see me going over to two ropes in a hurry 10 years in cant see much benefit. 

 

I will on occasion use 2 lanyards but bloody rare 

[Paddy1000111]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Squirrel said:

I don’t understand why you’re getting in such a tizzy about two ropes paddy. On your average job they won’t magically make you any safer. Nor will omitting to use two ropes make your working day any more dangerous. People need to slow down and think about their limits. 

Safe working requires confidence and composure gained from years of experience and the knowledge and skill that goes with that. Not an extra rope. 

I'm not getting in a tizzy. The reality is, be it working for other people or for a company some people HAVE to use two ropes. It's up to you if you follow the law or not, bit like driving, I don't know anyone who has always stuck  to the limits. 

 

The whole point in this post was to get feedback from others who have to use two ropes or have experience with the gyro to move forward and make life easier for those of us that have to use it/prefer to use it. I emailed Camp asking some questions about products and gave some feedback on the gyro asking if they offered anything similar or if they had anything planned in the future. I ended up talking to the designer of the gyro who wanted some field feedback on the product and what WE would like in a mk.2 gyro. 

 

This thread then got hi-jacked into "Why use two ropes, it's bullshit, I've been a climber for 20 years and never needed it" which doesn't mean anything. Some of us, be it subcontracting for someone or working for a company HAVE to use 2 ropes. I'm just trying to make things easier for those who do. 

Edited February 2, 2021 by Paddy1000111

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

Hi all, just to clarify "2 ropes", whilst an option and a very good one in many instances, but maybe not all, is not the requirement of the updated industry guidance...a "backup system" to protect the primary system should it fail for any (unexpected) reason is.

 

This may be 2 long ropes, both capable of reaching the ground (always a good option) BUT it can be 1x long rope and 1x short rope, or long lanyard, and/or short lanyard, a flip-line on vertical sections, or maybe some form of passive following rope being belayed (a proposal, which I don't understand the detail of.) Basically any system to stop you falling should the main climbing rope / anchor fail.

 

Please have an open mind and doubtless technologies, equipment and techniques will change going forward...and many more businesses will invest in MEWPs and grapple-saws etc  (NOT that HSE intend preventing climbing, it just needs to be clearly justified and follow 'current' industry good practice, i.e. ICOP(2) (managers) and TG1 (all.))

 

Thanks for reading..

Paul 

[Khriss]

3 hours ago, Mike Hill said:

That's great Khris,I should have expected no less than such from Arbtalks own:

 

Weapons expert

Hse expert

Cable logging expert

Vehicle modification expert

Military history scholar 

Aviation expert with a focus in WW2.

Forest Harvesting specialist.

 

In fact you seem to know so much about so many things,I do wonder how you find the time to come on here?

Wow, at least you have been paying attention  😆  yes i do know the difference!  And yes i cover many bases, i will send you a signed copy of my memoires,  will make sure its got a full index for you 😋  K